Okay so, we currently have 6 lines of shield busters. Corsairs, The Council, Phantoms, The Coalition, and then two Civilian Lines, Ageria and Gallic Civilian. I estimate roughly 80% of the Sirius population are forced to use Debilitators simply for a lack of an alternative, and I think its' time to remedy that. Now, not every faction needs their own shield busters, and taking into consideration both projectile speed and alliances, these are the new pulse weapons I think should be added, included with a reasoning.
Quote:Weapon Name/Faction/Class/Refire Rate/Projectile Speed
<strike>Redback/Xenos/9/ 4/699.7
White Tail/Xenos/8/4/699.7
Reason: Xenos have no allies, so they use their own technology.</strike>
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Zadkiel/Liberty Rogues/9/4/750
Gabriel/Liberty Rogues/8 /4/750
Reason: There is a need for a generic 750m/s unlawful shield buster, so I figured the Liberty Rogues would be most fitting. It will be shared with the <strike>GC and</strike> Red Hessians and any other non-corsair allied unlawful groups that do not have their own shield buster to match their gun speeds.
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<strike>Advanced Sunder/Bretonia/9/4/700
Sunder/Bretonia/8/4/700
Reason: While Bretonia will still have access to the Deb. line, their weapons speeds are 600/700 so they need a pulse weapon that matches those.</strike>
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<strike>Gaia's Protector/Gaians/9/5.88/750
Gaia's Defender/Gaians/8/5.88 /750
Reason: While they are Corsair allies, their weapon speeds don't match the Del Cid line. They also are on the wrong side of the rep board to use LR shield busters.</strike>
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Rampage 2/Kusari /9/4/600
Rampage 3/Kusari /8/4/600
Reason: Kusari gives the impression that they don't much like outsiders, I think, so I can see them boycotting Ageria tech. and making their own shield busters.
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Bokken/Blood Dragons/9 /4/750
Shinai /Blood Dragons/8/4/750
Reason: Blood Dragons cut their ties with the Outcasts, and indirectly with the Liberty Rogues, so they cannot use the Generic Unlawful shield buster. <strike>They'll also share their shield buster with the GC.</strike>
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Feuerfaust II/Rheinland/9/5.88 /700
Feuerfaust/Rheinland/8/5.88/700
Reason: I can't see Rhienland wanting to use the technology of a Liberty Corporation at this time, plus their weapons are 700ms.
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<strike>Advanced Impaler/Landwirtrenchrbewegung /93.03/700
Impaler/Landwirtrenchrbewegung/8/3.03/700
Reason: Rheinland unlawfuls are in need of a 700ms shield buster, and since the Red Hessians are able to use the LR shield busters, the LWB and Bundies needed their own weapons.</strike>
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Guardian II/Unioners/9/4/600
Guardian I/Unioners/8/4/600
Reason: Much like Xenos, the Unioners don't have any allies to share equipment with. Their guns are also 600ms.
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<strike>Grim MK II/The Order/9/4/600
Grim MK I/The Order/8/4/600
Reason: The Order cut ties with the Corsairs as far as I know. I'm sure they would reverse engineer the Del Cid technology to make their own pulse weapons, probably the second strongest in Sirius.</strike>
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<strike>Blaze II/Outcast/9/4/700
Blaze I/Outcast/84/700
Reason: Outcast weapons and some of their allies (The Lane Hackers) have 700ms projectile speed, and so they need their own pulse guns for this purpose. Similar to the LR shield buster, this weapon would be available to all non-corsair allied unlawful groups.</strike>
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Bombardier MK I/Junker/9/4/600
Bombardier MK II/Junker/8/4/600
Reason: Junkers' weapons have 600ms and also the Mollys needed a shield buster, and since both have weapons of the same speeds and closish ties, I decided they could share. Junkers will probably share their shield busters with every just about unlawful/quasi-lawful except Hogosha and FA
That about covers all of the factions that are not already covered. Debilitators would remain Civilian and available for all lawful/quasi-lawful groups, barring Gallia, and the Lane Hackers and GC/BD would also have access to them.
If you can think of a good enough reason for another faction to need a shield buster, or if you think I missed someone, tell me here and I'll add it to the list. If you think for some reason one of the above factions don't need a shield buster of their own, provide a good argument. I'll be happy to make and provide the code if this idea is approved by the Developers.
Also, most of the above names are a WIP, and suggestions are appreciated. They must follow the name scheme of the weapons they are related to.
Updates:
Struck out Xenos, Bretonian, Gaian and Outcast pulse weapons. They are still up for debate if anyone has a reason why they should be added.
Removed GC from LR shield busters and BD shield busters and given access to Debilitators.
Revising Unioner and LWB/Bundie shield busters.
Struck out Order pulse weapons. They are still able to use Corsair weapons via forum RP. This is still up for debate if anyone has a reason why they should be added.
Struck out LWB pulse weapons. They are allies with Red Hessians and will have access to LR shield busters.
I think that's a little much. The idea of the original thread about this was, I thought, to get maybe a couple more generic shield busters that can match speed and affiliation of almost anyone. In this scenario, while it's true that not every faction has their own pulse weapon here, it still comes pretty close.
I think that's a little much. The idea of the original thread about this was, I thought, to get maybe a couple more generic shield busters that can match speed and affiliation of almost anyone. In this scenario, while it's true that not every faction has their own pulse weapon here, it still comes pretty close.
I just think that's over-doing it a bit.
My idea is not so much "here, have a couple more generic shield busters" but rather for it to make sense in-rp. It would be easier to do the former, but it makes more sense in-RP for factions to use different shield busters.
' Wrote:Weapon Name/Faction/Class/Refire Rate/Projectile Speed
Redback/Xenos/9/ 4/699.7
White Tail/Xenos/8/4/699.7
Reason: Xenos have no allies, so they use their own technology. Xeno guns have a 20% bonus on Graviton (Read: Most of their enemies) shields, is a shield buster really necessary?
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Zadkiel/Liberty Rogues/9/4/750
Gabriel/Liberty Rogues/8 /4/750
Reason: There is a need for a generic 750m/s unlawful shield buster, so I figured the Liberty Rogues would be most fitting. It will be shared with the GC and Red Hessians and any other non-corsair allied unlawful groups that do not have their own shield buster to match their gun speeds. Sounds good, apart from sharing with GC, they don't need it as I'll explain below.
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Advanced Sunder/Bretonia/9/4/700
Sunder/Bretonia/8/4/700
Reason: While Bretonia will still have access to the Deb. line, their weapons speeds are 600/700 so they need a pulse weapon that matches those. I don't think this is really necessary.. there are the Mark II (650ms) Debs if you're having aiming problems as a BAFie.
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Gaia's Protector/Gaians/9/5.88/750
Gaia's Defender/Gaians/8/5.88 /750
Reason: While they are Corsair allies, their weapon speeds don't match the Del Cid line. They also are on the wrong side of the rep board to use LR shield busters. Again, seems a tad -too- convenient. Weapon groups would solve the current problem.
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Rampage 2/Kusari /9/4/600
Rampage 3/Kusari /8/4/600
Reason: Kusari gives the impression that they don't much like outsiders, I think, so I can see them boycotting Ageria tech. and making their own shield busters. Excellent idea, didn't think of that.
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Bokken/Blood Dragons/9 /4/750
Shinai /Blood Dragons/8/4/750
Reason: Blood Dragons cut their ties with the Outcasts, and indirectly with the Liberty Rogues, so they cannot use the Generic Unlawful shield buster. They'll also share their shield buster with the GC. This is fine apart from the sharing with GC bit. In 4.85 equipment sharing between GC and BD is no longer necessary. Again, see below for an explanation.
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Feuerfaust II/Rheinland/9/5.88 /700
Feuerfaust/Rheinland/8/5.88/700
Reason: I can't see Rhienland wanting to use the technology of a Liberty Corporation at this time, plus their weapons are 700ms. Another good idea, I'm all for this.
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Advanced Impaler/Landwirtrenchrbewegung /93.03/700
Impaler/Landwirtrenchrbewegung/8/3.03/700
Reason: Rheinland unlawfuls are in need of a 700ms shield buster, and since the Red Hessians are able to use the LR shield busters, the LWB and Bundies needed their own weapons. Why don't the powerful Hessians just make a shield buster for all 3 groups to share?
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Guardian II/Unioners/9/4/600
Guardian I/Unioners/8/4/600
Reason: Much like Xenos, the Unioners don't have any allies to share equipment with. Their guns are also 600ms. Why don't they just use the Junker ones you propose below?
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Grim MK II/The Order/9/4/600
Grim MK I/The Order/8/4/600
Reason: The Order cut ties with the Corsairs as far as I know. I'm sure they would reverse engineer the Del Cid technology to make their own pulse weapons, probably the second strongest in Sirius. No tech sharing at all anymore? Well, the Order have the brains to do it so sure why not.
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Blaze II/Outcast/9/4/700
Blaze I/Outcast/84/700
Reason: Outcast weapons and some of their allies (The Lane Hackers) have 700ms projectile speed, and so they need their own pulse guns for this purpose. Similar to the LR shield buster, this weapon would be available to all non-corsair allied unlawful groups. The Outcasts have the Inferno for shield-smashing fun.
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Bombardier MK I/Junker/9/4/600
Bombardier MK II/Junker/8/4/600
Reason: Junkers' weapons have 600ms and also the Mollys needed a shield buster, and since both have weapons of the same speeds and closish ties, I decided they could share. Junkers will probably share their shield busters with every just about unlawful/quasi-lawful except Hogosha and FA Sounds good.
The GC wouldn't need to use shared shield busters as far as I'm aware because of their ties to Interspace, It's pretty easy for 'em to get a hold of some Debilitators.
Well, no offense, good effort and all writing that stuff, but this will never materialize in game, just as the factionalized supernova cannons idea. It's a bit too much, and to be fair, I don't think everyone has the technology/resources required to build pulse cannons - in RP.
' Wrote:My idea is not so much "here, have a couple more generic shield busters" but rather for it to make sense in-rp. It would be easier to do the former, but it makes more sense in-RP for factions to use different shield busters.
I understand what you're saying, and it's good that you're coming up with in-RP reasons for each of these factions to have their weapons, but I just don't think that every faction needs a shield buster.
EDIT: Jamez's notes make sense. I think that if that list of yours were revised just a bit so that more factions were able to share pulse weapons (Yes, within logical roleplay), then it would look a bit better, and cut down on the massive number of new weapon-lines that would be entering the mod.
Also, regardless of the fact that Ageria made the Civilian pulse weapons, I still don't see a reason why all house militaries and police forces can't use them. They've become the standard lawful shield busters; does it really matter who originally designed them?
This is good, this is constructive.
My reasoning for giving Bretonia their own shield buster was because their faction weapons speeds vary from the Debilitator line. I suppose now that might not be a good enough reason, since there's not much roleplay behind it.
Rhienland, though are in the middle of a war with Liberty and yes, they do have access to Debilitators. But in war, I can very much see Rhienland reverse engineering Debilitators and making them superior to the tech. Liberty uses.
Kusari was more about the xenophobia thing, I think. Like how they don't let Bounty Hunters in their systems.
Also, the points Jamez brought up were very constructive. About the Order one, I'm not 100% sure if the Order and Corsairs still deal, I'm under the impression they don't, but I'll check Xorias' chart.
' Wrote:Also, regardless of the fact that Ageria made the Civilian pulse weapons, I still don't see a reason why all house militaries and police forces can't use them. They've become the standard lawful shield busters; does it really matter who originally designed them?
Well, just my opinions, anyway.
Don't disregard the fact that they are made by Ageira, that's where the RP comes in.
In wartime Liberty would naturally try and gain every advantage over Rheinland. At any time, Ageira could stop supplying Debilitators to Rheinland. Either Ageira could do it themselves (unlikely, the shady bastards) or Liberty could step in and stop it from happening.
I think this is more than enough reason for Rheinland Military to develop its own shield buster gun, which would be configured to work best with their own weapons instead of that cheaply produced Liberty trash, blah blah etc.
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