Should official factions have more power?

[MacAulay]

Furthermore, on that council should also be prominent independent players. I can name a few already, and say with certainty that they're the best people for the job.
The absolute best.
And no, I think you'd not like the names I'd say. Heck, even I would not like one of them for sure. But, 'tis true.

Hmmm... I just know ya mean me! Ya do dont ya? Come on, fess up :D

Seriously though, I agree with that point. As someone stated elsewhere, in many areas indie players are the majority and are often far more active in some regions than there official counterparts, why should they not have a voice.


I also agree on the Cap ship issue. Which will sound a bit odd as I am the indie pilot of an an outcast dessie. I chose this ship not through a desire to be an all powerful pew pew whore, or to go park it outside Erie to make newbs worship me, but simply because, as many can confirm, I absolutely suck in fighter sized craft. I simply do not enjoy using fighters for that reason alone and if I was forced to fly one I would no doubt seek a different server or just stick to trader. I could just of easily purchased a BS or Dread, but did not. Also the ship fits my chosen Rp, I am an outcast guard and I take the RP seriously. My ship very rarely leaves OC space and spends most of its time policing the approaches to malta. Its size is there as a deterrent more than a statement.
But as swift noted, there are large number of capships appearing all over and they are not being policed in any way. This week I have had numerous reasons to pull up OC indie pilots who, upon gaining there OC ID have rushed off to buy a dessie without even bothering to earn Guard ID. I believe there was an indie OC dread reported in Breton space making a nuisance of himself, even though I think that is strictly forbidden by the Dons at present (maybe wrong). There are capships everywhere now, and they are mostly being flown by people with very little idea of what they should be used for and indeed what they are capable of (or not). i guess one solution may be to apply a license to all capships, not just the BS.

All a bit off the original topic but just wanted to support Swifts point cos i think he is sooooooo cool :ylove:

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This really isn't something that needs to be taken super seriously because it's a game and most of us are just here to have fun. You should try smiling, you'll feel better about things (honest).

[Birdtalon]

A bit contradictory! Official factions have more power as they are part of the community? So is every indie pilot and unofficial faction unless I am mistaken? Take out the latter and the official factions would have bugger all to do with the power you give them. Also, it is the indie/unofficial that are directly effected by the powers granted to officials, they are not only PART of the community but in many ways an essential PART of it.

As to your second point I believe we are not debating more power for unofficial factions anyway! Cos even I wouldnt be stupid enough to grant it to the majority of them:)

I suppose. But it is true that indies don't really get a voice as the official factions own everything and have more weight in what they say. All the more reason to join an Offical faction.

But in RP, would there really be i.e. Indie Liberty navy outside of the LN organisation? and even if there was would they have a say in anything?

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[DearMatthew]

Maybe. I think it depends on RP. And who's to say that someone's RP is better/worse than someone else's?

Personally I feel that official factions sometimes smother the creative ideas of unofficial ones.

No reason for everyone to be so clique-y and decide who's in and who's out of the Discovery circle.

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<div align="right">~R Fang</div>

[hack]

Now That I have had some sleep...


I voted yes on this matter.

Too often I have seen indies and unofficials (not all of them) run around doing silly stuff, a member of the Offical NPC faction tell them to knock it off, only to be told "You can do anything to me"

Case in point , Unlawful cap ships in Liberty. The LR leader TRIED RP to help alleviate the problem by telling them to dock elsewhere, and it elicited a OORP conversation that "You can do that as a faction"

Lib navy has told OORP CAPships to knock it off, quit chasing small fighters, to get told "I don't report to you"

Tell me this is untrue and I will show you a liar.

Factions have had to stand up, pay their dues, prove they were worthy of keeping the canon of the NPC factions, and keep proving it everyday.

Go to any faction description thread, and you will see that staying in character and obeying server rules is paramount.

Should Offical Factions have more power to be able to have some say over the Unofficials and indies? Yes

Should the Official factions know that if they screw up and abuse that power its lights out for them? Yes

What those powers are? I do not know. I hope those who do know can come to a reasonable solution

Lord knows, things aren't working so great now.

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Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station

[Cyberanson]

And who's to say that someone's RP is better/worse than someone else's?

Good RP defines with creativity and a good knowledge about what is going on in the RP environment in my humble opinion. An example:

Good RP:
A smuggler with a load of toxic waste and some units of Cardamine floats in front of a police officer.
Police: "Pilot of the vessel <put name here>, cut your engines! My scanners show that you have Cardamine on board."
Smuggler: "Sir? There is no Cardamine in there. You may come on board and have a look at this toxic waste. But beware the radiation!"
Police: "Ah, maybe some malfunctioning scanners. Go ahead!"

Bad RP:
A smuggler with a load of toxic waste and some units of Cardamine floats in front of a police officer.
Police: "SMUGGLERZ! Cut your engines! Drop the Cardi or get shot!"
Smuggler: "You will never get me!"
Death: <put name here> was killed by <put name here> (Gun)

Otherwise the community decides what is good and what is not. Try to come up with an utterly rediculous faction proposal and you will see how the feedback is.

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[hack]

Good RP defines with creativity and a good knowledge about what is going on in the RP environment in my humble opinion. An example:

Good RP:
A smuggler with a load of toxic waste and some units of Cardamine floats in front of a police officer.
Police: "Pilot of the vessel <put name here>, cut your engines! My scanners show that you have Cardamine on board."
Smuggler: "Sir? There is no Cardamine in there. You may come on board and have a look at this toxic waste. But beware the radiation!"
Police: "Ah, maybe some malfunctioning scanners. Go ahead!"

Bad RP:
A smuggler with a load of toxic waste and some units of Cardamine floats in front of a police officer.
Police: "SMUGGLERZ! Cut your engines! Drop the Cardi or get shot!"
Smuggler: "You will never get me!"
Death: <put name here> was killed by <put name here> (Gun)

Otherwise the community decides what is good and what is not. Try to come up with an utterly rediculous faction proposal and you will see how the feedback is.

You have read my mind sir, kudos to you.

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Formerly known as LPI Police Chief Hull O'Brien.
Creator of Sgt. V. Price, 207th Precinct out of Chula Vista Station

[Ogris]

What ventana said.

Official factions should not have full control over indies. BUT

Say a smuggler is running, you tell him to halt because of <insert random reason here>, he runs away and docks, when you undock, it should be FULLY in your power to blow him up without getting sanctioned, you already stated the laws, he shouldnt just run away, it's a good enough RP reason to engage, in real life, you break the law and run, you will be taken down by force, why are indies protected so much here? You break the law and dont cooperate, you die, no engagement notice needed, COMMON SENSE.

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[gezza999]

To cast a vote here I'd need to know more specific details. Power to what extent? Just MORE in every way or certain changes? I wouldn't accept some changes but would be in favour of others. They need to be done individually, rather than just having one big YES or NO question.

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[Patriot]

They pay 500 million for be official,they have more rules to obey,they are cheked and targeted by all and everyone.



MY GOD,of course they should have more power,thats make sense ya dont think.What power,i dont know its to be discussed in group.

[Sassafras]

YES

All my thoughts have been previously expressed in particular to the situation in Rheinland.