Even if the BHs win, the order wont be defeated. They'll loose there base but they will retreat back into the shadows, back out of the spotlight they were dragged into by others and them selfs, back to what they were before the nomad war.
' Wrote:Even if the BHs win, the order wont be defeated. They'll loose there base but they will retreat back into the shadows, back out of the spotlight they were dragged into by others and them selfs, back to what they were before the nomad war.
Something like that.
The Order will lose. Toledo will fall. The alliance will wither and die.
The Order would then activate plan X, or plan D, because plan B is simply too stereotypical, and break their fleet into "cells" or an every man for himself style.
They might also forge evidence of them being completely destroyed, so no-one comes after them any more.
Either way, they would lose their ability to traverse as openly as they did before, especially in the Omicrons.
Their new ZoI would probably be the Omega's and they would base their "cell" fleet spreading out from Bretonia into the Omega's.
I think eventually the Core will "win" as far as driving off the Order in Minor, Delta, and the like. After all, the Order also have at least one House against them. The Core must have significant financial backers on top of everything (why else would they be after all that technology? buyers make sense to me).
Of course, giving the Order's nature, even that could be considered a strategic victory. Right now they're pinned down in a few Omicron systems. If they "lose", they get the chance to evacuate and rebase elsewhere, letting the Core deal with the main nomad threat themselves with full force while the Order can rely on stealth again. I'd say they'd establish some mobile bases in the Omegas to deal with the Wild and in the Sigmas to watch the other Wild. On top of that, some place in the Taus to stop any incursions of the nomads out through Outcastland. By keeping agents surrounding all the major areas, in places like around Delta, they can let the nomads and Core blow each other up, thus allowing them to contain any outbreaks rather than onslaughts (and get rid of a group hunting them).
In any case, the Order should do something. How are you stopping the nomads if the Wild are running around free, far from any outposts of any sort? :mellow:
Nomads will achieve some kind of victory that is for sure, no one knows when and where and how but it will happen and it won't be nice. My opinion is that order and hunters are wasting their power on each others and that there is no such thing as indefinite resources. Human race is limited by time while we know who isn't. I would ask myself what will really happen because there is nothing so likely to produce peace as to be well prepared to meet the enemy. :)
There is another group that hasnt been considered yet.
The Blood Dragons.
As I understand it, they weakened after the first Nomad War to the point where they were no longer of much use to anyone - let alone the Order. Allying with the Corsairs and Hogosha would have further strained relations.
That being said, the Dragons have maintained their own separate Nomad Research Facility based out of Sendai (Lord Hakkera himself is rumoured to still be heading this operation). There are also infocards stating that the Dragons and Order still share their research findings.
So what of these 'rebels' then? Perhaps instead of openly fighting the Order, they could seek to restore the old alliance?
On the one hand, it would give these Order Agents (or ex-agents depending on how these 'rebels' are received) a new base of operations and a buffer against the Core.
On the other hand, it would surely rankle the Corsairs and Hogosha - both Dragon enemies.
Aye, should the Order get conquered in Omicron Minor, that could also provide the groundwork for renewed contacts with their old allies. The Bundschuh in Rheinland helped them out a lot during the Nomad War. Should the Order retreat to the Omega systems, they would have safe haven on their and Coalition bases. The Hessians would likely be neutral. That would effectively leave the Order out of the Hessian-Corsair war, and let them operate under its screen, away from bounty hunters and house military who tread carefully or not at all in systems that are encompassed in an epic conflict.
Not to mention that smack in the middle of that conflict are Wilde, who given the current game lore established by Igiss (which may or may not have actual footing ingame) are apparently hitting both the Hessians and the Corsairs so hard that both forces are thinking of a temporary cease fire. I'd say the Order would definitely get interested in Omega space, after all as some used to say "there is something fishy going on down there".
lets not forget the motivations for the conflicts. - the BHG core does not fight the order cause they decided to do so ( that is going to war against the order ), or cause its "the thing to do/tradition" ( like outcasts vs. corsairs ), or cause of reasons of power and dominance ( kusari vs. bretonia ).
the reasons for a war are important when considering a possible outcome. - there is almost no way to pacify the outcasts and corsairs, cause the reasons for their hostility are buried so deep that not even them can really tell what makes the other side a "mortal enemy" other than that they have been a mortal enemy ever since. ( which after all is a good enough reason to go to war with another side )
from what i know - the orderr of events was that:
- the order decided to take up a covert role after the great war to study the aliens outside the bonds of a house - to have more freedom in what to do, how to do and where to do it.
- the BHG have decided to actually do the very same. but while the order "claims" to do it for the good of mankind and with all the responsibility available, the BHG core approached the same problem with all the cunning and greed that humans can muster ( or so far the stereotypes - which are quite reasonable for that matter )
- the war broke out OVER the aliens. - the war is "fresh" , both sides know why they went to war. - and there is a problem of the war.
* recently, the BHG was waging war against the order and the order waged war against the BHG. - what is wrong with the picture is that .... - both sides kind of forget the nomads in that. - regarding to the lore, they would probably rather ignore each other... but fight "for" the nomads to the end. - the BHG will do ANYTHING to gain ... for that matter "blue keeper kill messages" - while the order will do the same to prevent that and to get the same. - their reason for the war are the nomads and nothing else ( at least at that state )
why is that important? - cause you can "make a peace" easily still. ( in theory at least ) - the BHG does not "hate" the order to their bones, the order does not "hate" the BHG. if one of both would retreat from their "claim" on nomads - or if ... and that is basicly a possibility, too.... decided to get to an agreement on responsibility to deal with the aliens.... the war could easily turn out to a truce - or more. ( something that is unthinkable for other war parties like hessians / corsairs for example )
before the order is "defeated" i think they would rather relinquish their claim on the nomads - and give the BHG free reign, not interfering with the BHG core to exploit the nomads anymore. - at that point, the "war" would end. - if the order doesn t prevent a full access to the remote systems anymore, the BHG has no reason to fight them for those anymore.
reality has also shown that a way to "win" an argument is to cooperate. - by direct or indirect influence on the BHG, the order could "teach" the BHG the responsibility needed to deal with what they find. - this is just an alternate outcome - for the possibility that nither the order, nor the BHG core are idiotic hardliners that know no compromises and alternatives.
another outcome is that the nomads are driven off - no nomads, no war. - no war = the core seeks another cause to rush in ... or dissolves... so does the order.
BHG Core "defeat" Order and Order leaves Delta and Minor and go in new undiscovered system (system that is created by reavengitair)... Order explores that new system and find a hole to undiscovered even newer system with some new factions or something ... maybe Order form alliance with them ... any ideas about anything like this ? BHG stop hunting them because they are unimportant any more (unaware of Order alliance with new faction:))
BHG core start losing too much resources for stopping nomads and their influence (they take over Order role) they are starting to lose ground and they are pushed further away from Omicrons (Nomads conquer Delta and Lost ), BHG Core station them selfs in Minor and Kappa (corsairs attacking them too) and try hold off nomads and wild from Omicron 92 .... BHG core get some help from LN from Alaska in cases of emergency ...
they stop researching on scale like before , they are busy fighting nomads and saving their life and while Nomads are pushing Core out of Minor and destroying their bases , Order stop hiding , they leave remote systems with their allys for final nomad attack , Second Nomad War and helps BHG core to fight them off
Order get swine flu and die.
Core become infested by Nomads.
Said infestation spreads to all of Sirius because of excessive BHG membership and over-zealous desire to "interact" with others - ie shooting them.
Sirius becomes Nomad domain again or a mysterious faction from another galaxy turn up and save us, but in doing so are sanctioned to a level hitherto unknown on the server because they use cd's in combat, a tactic rendered illegal under Rule Revision 56895621.54.
Settlers from a destroyed star system settle in Sirius.
Process repeats itself.
Meh.
It's practically impossible to determine, without sounding biased towards a particular faction. In the long term, given the increased traffic to the Omicrons, I could see another House forming, maybe comprised of elements of the Order/Core/Zoners/settlers from the other Houses/even the odd Corsair/Outcast (delete as applicaable)....who knows. Either that or the Order becomes a kind of "xeno movement" in the Omicrons, and their original purpose gets lost. (cf other pirate groups who may have started out with ideals but turned to crime).
//edit: Of course, given what Ive seen in the Omegas, I imagine that the Nomads arent finished yet.
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