' Wrote:First off I don't like the way you've associated communism with socialism, the way it was phrased makes one think the terms are interchangable, which they aren't. Socialism is distinctly different from communism, though sharing qualities.
When it comes to revolutionary movements, Communist Revolutionaries are always Socialist Revolutionaries. Socialism is Step One towards the final goal. Socialists need not be Communist, however, but there are plenty of parallels.
' Wrote:Why side with the Xenos? Why not with these types? These guy's will promise a lot better things than the Xenos will, the zeeners are mostly in it for themselves.
EDIT: To Quote Turkish: Xenophobic murder. Or righteous socialist reform?
To begin, Xenos, and especially the XA are NOT in it mostly for themselves. The whole basis of the Xeno Movement is to educate the people of Liberty about the corruptness of the Government. The poor, blue-collar workers of Liberty were shafted from the outsourcing of jobs, thus we seek to stop all foreign trade and return the work to the people. We do not pirate for money or profit, we seek to get the message across that foreign companies and goods are not welcome in Liberty. All traders complying with our orders to drop their cargo must endure watching us destroy it in front of them, and are then allowed to leave unharmed. Only traders not complying will be dealt with harshly.
Where the LRF and the Xenos share some similar beliefs, their ultimate goals seem to be a bit different. Some of your targets the XA have an "understanding" with.... Universal for instance. We also encourage in-house trade, as it keeps the jobs here, and the disruption of that trade is detrimental to Liberty's blue collar working class.
The Xeno IFF I don't think would be a good idea, simply for the fact of some of your operating techniques. This is not to say it couldn't happen, as some Xenos are more extreme than others, and don't follow the grain as closely as the XA do.
I do think however, that the LRF and the XA could have at least some sort of working relationship, if not allied, as some of our goals fall in the same direction. But a delicate balance must be achieved, the slaughter of innocent civilians and piracy of in-house trade will be severely frowned upon.
As one of the higher ranking members of the XA, I look foward to more communications with your group, and for one think it is a good idea you have going.
-XA Desert Mojave out.
You ask me why Im weary, why I cant speak to you.
You blame me for my silence, say Its time I changed and grew.
But the war's still going on dear, and theres no end that I know...
And I cant say if were ever...
I cant say if were ever gonna be free.
' Wrote:To begin, Xenos, and especially the XA are NOT in it mostly for themselves. The whole basis of the Xeno Movement is to educate the people of Liberty about the corruptness of the Government. The poor, blue-collar workers of Liberty were shafted from the outsourcing of jobs, thus we seek to stop all foreign trade and return the work to the people. We do not pirate for money or profit, we seek to get the message across that foreign companies and goods are not welcome in Liberty. All traders complying with our orders to drop their cargo must endure watching us destroy it in front of them, and are then allowed to leave unharmed. Only traders not complying will be dealt with harshly.
Where the LRF and the Xenos share some similar beliefs, their ultimate goals seem to be a bit different. Some of your targets the XA have an "understanding" with.... Universal for instance. We also encourage in-house trade, as it keeps the jobs here, and the disruption of that trade is detrimental to Liberty's blue collar working class.
The Xeno IFF I don't think would be a good idea, simply for the fact of some of your operating techniques. This is not to say it couldn't happen, as some Xenos are more extreme than others, and don't follow the grain as closely as the XA do.
I do think however, that the LRF and the XA could have at least some sort of working relationship, if not allied, as some of our goals fall in the same direction. But a delicate balance must be achieved, the slaughter of innocent civilians and piracy of in-house trade will be severely frowned upon.
As one of the higher ranking members of the XA, I look foward to more communications with your group, and for one think it is a good idea you have going.
-XA Desert Mojave out.
Be careful about buying into your own propaganda. Remember, they're called Xenos for a reason. Xenophobes entirely. Liberty first, screw the foreigners. Us. Me. Not them.
Still, yeah, Xenos protectionism seems to be a more Libertonian form of left-wing politics than a Communist revolution.
I've updated it a bit. Added Junkers as neutral, added criminals as hostile, and settled on Pirate ID/Freelancer IFF for now.
The idea will go forward carefully as laid out. Thanks all for the input, I'll keep it all in mind. If LRF up and dissapears and a clone ends up in another house, don't be surprised if its me again.
Edit: And I completely forgot the faction recruitment forum was for official ones only. Sorry, mind's starting to slip.
1) I think it's good idea
2) I don't see connection between Rogues and this
but
3) I think it should be better to run this faction somewhere else not in Liberty (for example Rheinland)
4) Junkers neutral?! Bloody hell they are slavers
Kusari is more akin to a feudal shoganate, which is the direct model used by the developers to create the governmental system. And it already its oppositional slots filled, both the Blood Dragons and the GC fight to replace the existing government. One with a true Emperor, and the other with a matriarch.
Rheinland is overflowing with political revolutionaries and every other kind of opposition under the sun, and Bretonia operates in a monarchy. With that in mind citizens in Bretonia as a whole don't want their system of government to change too drastically, they like it, it works. And beyond that, it gives them a sense of national pride.
Liberty really is the only house lacking a proper political movement bent on radical change and redistribution of power.
I think this points out why Liberty is a good choice, except the explanation for Kusari. I don't think that Kusari has no room left for another revolutionary movement but I do think that factions like the Hogosha simply wouldn't let that happen as the LRF's idea would overthrow the society's system entirely. Think about why there is no pirate faction like the LR or the Buccaneers in Kusari.
Now, back to Liberty. I like the concept of the LRF. You compare it a lot to the Red Faction Army that was active in Germany during the 70s. But that's the point where some problems arise. The RAF tried to achieve its goals by kidnapping or murdering high ranking members of government structures or the economy. How do you roleplay that? I imagine to see those things happen planetside or on stations, not in open space unless you regurlarly organize events with the faction leaders of the Big Three. That would surely offer excellent RP, ingame as well as on the forums (just imagine a LPI Swat wing that tries to free hostages from the LRF). But you can hardly roleplay it in the daily routines. Liberty has enough pirating factions already, so what are you going to do in the meantime? And where could you keep hostages? I don't believe that the Zoners would be very fond of LPI squads breaking down freeport doors.
The idea is quite good. But it's damn difficult to roleplay it in a game that only offers space as an environment.
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