Admin Notice : Faction Warned

[Blodo]

I totally, completely disagree with this happening now. A couple of days before, maybe. But now, when QCP and Zoners were starting to work out the RP details to this... The RP solution for Zoners thread was going the right way as well. Also, as Ben said only a few people got extremely offended, which also makes me laugh in a way considering that they took this personally from the start, when this whole situation was in fact justified RP!

Of course it should have been known that the admins would shut this down at the very eve of the problem's end, it's just how it goes I guess... might as well just give the juggies and corvos and zoner whales admin shields and be done with it. I'd have thought there would be more sense at work here...

[Zeltak]

Just plain wrong approach to Role-Play.

[Othman]

Right, not trying to create a complexity here. But this made me really wonder why the Zoners can't be targetted as a whole, be it by QCP or any other faction, whence the inclinations of the RP motives do clash. I also don't believe the current Zoners are fully neutral to all parties. Could someone elucidate this matter please? Is this a shield of some sort or a requirement of the common RP'ing rules of Discovery that every single group is obliged to obey?

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[Enko]

Right, not trying to create a complexity here. But this made me really wonder why the Zoners can't be targetted as a whole, be it by QCP or any other faction, whence the inclinations of the RP motives do clash. I also don't believe the current Zoners are fully neutral to all parties. Could someone elucidate this matter please? Is this a shield of some sort or a requirement of the common RP'ing rules of Discovery that every single group is obliged to obey?

I vote for it to be stated clearly in the rules;

Zoner Tagged and ID'd ships cannot be fired on by anyone exept with Terrorist, Nomad or Wilde IDs.

To be more of a point to this, have we actually hit something like this? It's not like its a faction that has all made ships specifically to shoot Zoners with zero RP at all. As said before, it's been properly set in RP, other factions have had incidents with shooting Zoners and it was all dealt with. The quoted text explains that even more, I dont see any rule like what I mentioned, I dont see this invisible barrier and then I get slapped on the wrist for aparently hitting it.

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[Drake]

Enough of this Gibberish !!!!!!

You all heard what the man said . . And when he said that.. It Was the ENTIRE ADMIN team that made that decision . . . .

Follow his suggestions and MOVE ON !!!!!!! . . .

I, for one, will not. Even though my QCP character(s) are either inactive or currently nonexistent. Even if I wasn't involved at all, I'd still take offense to this debacle.

This sets a very bad precedent. It shows that people bitching and moaning like petulant children when other people do something that they don't like can get things done, just to shut them up. There was nothing hurting server gameplay. There was just OOC whining about in-game stuff which should have been dealt with in-RP or in-game. No rules were broken, except by the side of the whiners. There were flaming PMs sent, not just to the QCP involved, but to people who merely voiced an opinion supporting their actions. It's frankly quite disgusting that people would act this way just because a rather small faction decides that they don't agree with your 'neutral policies', and that you are more enemy than 'neutral'.

To make this even more of a farce, most of the people who complained don't even understand that the QCP do not equal Bretonia, even though it was explained to them over and over again. Anything but the most obvious black-and-white factions just seem to fly over the heads of an awful lot of people.

There are only two other factions who've ever drawn as much forum flames as the Privateers, and those are the Phantoms and the Keepers. But look at what happens whenever people bring up 'issues' with the Phantoms: The threads are almost immediately shut down by Admin-intervention. Nothing gets changed, there's no Admin-enforced peace between the Phantoms and <x faction>. I haven't seen the Keepers ordered to stop attacking Zoners in Delta. But, now that the precedent's been set, all that can't be far off, can it?

The supposed RP'd peace between the QCP and Zoners is, to use the same word twice, a complete and utter farce. We could try and work something out RPly, but it'll be nothing more than a lie, something forced on us by divine intervention. It'll never be 'real', and it's not worth the effort. If the QCP are being forced to make peace, then there'll be no RP involved from me, it'll be just the way it happened: Forced by the arbitrary ruling of the Admin team. Completely OORP, just another senseless rule.

As I've said before, for most of my Discovery career I've had a Zoner, I was even the CoZ Chairperson for a time. My character was wiped a few months back when I was inactive, and I had been meaning to remake him as soon as I got around to making the cash. Well, that's not likely to happen now. The Zoners as a whole are ruined for me, nothing more than a bunch of powertraders and capwhores who whine and cry when someone threatens their precious 'neutrality', despite whatever RP reasoning may have been involved.

Maybe I'll just leave, I've seen the Disco USA server becoming more active, and my lag will certainly be lower. And I won't have to deal with this kind of absurdity.

/endrant

[Blodo]

Eh, the funny fact is that it is OUR RP that is going to suffer here by conceding to the Zoners. Not only are we forced to stop this, if we are to do it in RP then there is basically no other way than for Zoners to declare victory and the terms (a non-sensical victory also). Now you tell me who's RP is getting ruined?

[Drake]

A 'final battle' would serve no purpose.

Anyone I decide to attack or pirate with any of my characters will not be forwarned. Do people really expect a PM from people saying, 'Hey, I see you coming my way, I'm gonna pirate you.'

The other enemies of the QCP were never forgotten, and I don't see why people would think that they were. The Corsairs, for example, are a major enemy of Bretonia and the QCP, and there seem to be quite a few of them down in Omega-49.

[Quorg]

Be sure to maintain the link to it. People would benefit from knowing how it really is behind the scenes.

Your wish is my command, amigo. Now let's get back to business, shall we?

When shall the final Juggernaut-induced curbstomping occur? I'm on Pacific time.

A 'final battle' would serve no purpose.

Anyone I decide to attack or pirate with any of my characters will not be forwarned. Do people really expect a PM from people saying, 'Hey, I see you coming my way, I'm gonna pirate you.'

The other enemies of the QCP were never forgotten, and I don't see why people would think that they were. The Corsairs, for example, are a major enemy of Bretonia and the QCP, and there seem to be quite a few of them down in Omega-49.

Roger; I will assume that your QCP character is kill on sight unless you indicate otherwise.

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Way to be useless, Quorg.

[BaconSoda]

1) The RP reasons for QCP targetting the Zoners, though plausible, are quite weak to justify the Vendetta that has ensued. Zoners, it seems, are currently your primary targets, to the exclusion of the more legitimate KNF and Corsair threats. However, the merits and demerits of the RP are not the most important issue. The most important issue is..

Frankly, I welcome this, and I agree with it. If the QCP target someone other than those directly helping Kusari, they are not acting as Privateers, and are becoming pure vigilantes. If vigilantism has become your main purpose, I do believe a change of ID is in order. Privateering is really something completely different than attacking someone completely neutral who isn't directly supporting your allies.

But, that's just me. I dunno how the Sirius Privateers work. They might be completely justified in attacking a completely neutral party, like, say, Rheinland. I heard they're attacking our allies AND helping our enemies!

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[Linkus]

Actually wrong RonG777.

What this has done is fuel the argument and allow resentment to boil up under the surface and simply find another way to come out.
It's essentially poking a tiger and then putting it in a cage.
When it get's out it won't be happy.

But yes, I know this isn't the end in my book about this. I've lost far too much respect for the Zoners at this stage. Some are definitely worth their salt but wow, some just..ya. I'm going to start poking the whole neutrality issue, inRP, and see the response I get.

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