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[Zeltak]

... I guess I should have expected people to ignore logic and instead continue with quoting somebody they agree with to continue the verbal ganking... -.-' Anyways... I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and read more than just the first sentence.

You talk about "verbal ganking", seems like you are doing just the same by stating I ignore logic and just continue to verbally "gank" Zoners. That is basically calling me a stupid flamer, so it goes both ways eh? Oh and I won't even comment on the "read more than just the first sentence" part either.

1) A lot of us don't ship paste for the purpose of angry pitchforks flanking both exits from the Omicrons while a locked gate guards the other. But perhaps I misunderstand.

First of all, there is a in-game rumor about this Synth Foods deal with Freeport Biodomes located in various Freeports across Sirius, mentioning how the Zoners and the Synth Foods "profit greatly" by the agreement.

Secondly, even if you would counter this by saying: "Well that is just a rumor, and didn't you just say that it was the Players who formed the primary Role-Play?" Then I would answer like this:

Well, you stated that some Zoner-players don't ship Synth Food products does NOT mean that LWB can caught other Zoner-players that DO ship them, this gives the Zoners in general a bad reputation and may provoke a further investigation on Freeport Biodomes. And this part you can't try to excuse yourself out with what the Zoners ship or do not ship, the Biodomes PRODUCES Synth Food, if the LWB ever find out about that they would immediately cut any relationships with you.

2) Cool. The Hessians can come too. Send caravans full of local pygmies to pick up supplies. We'll have a ball. Just beware of the Freeport locals who will be watching the market from an elevated position with very large guns.

Yes the Hessians may do one or two ransoms... hehe.

3) Well... They really don't have any bases near us. I suppose the Hackers could be their errand boys and send some stuff up from Magellan? Love, the Zoners?

Doesn't really matter, if the Zoners support the Outcast's arch-enemy, the Corsairs more than they support the Outcast it can lead to very unfortunate events in Freeport-9 for example. Perhaps, an Outcast invasion?

This is like two kids fighting over candy. The parents give Kid A more candy than they give to Kid B, so Kid B starts to complain and demand more. Or Kid B might go even further and say he wants more than Kid A for being treated so unjustly.

What happens now? A chain reaction of demands. In order to put an end to the conflict the parents decide to give Kid B more candy than Kid A. Now Kid A gets angry and wants more.

Now replace Kid A with the Corsairs.
Kid B with the Outcasts.
And the parents with the Zoners.

4) Excellent! Viable. If they choose to do so, we'll vaporize them accordingly and then continue on our way. Zoner diplomacy is on an individual basis, be that regarding personages or groups. If X dislikes Y, who eats our bread and X comes to kill Y, Z (us) will assist Y because to not do so would be bad business sense. No lawyer is going to stand up in a court room and say, "Ah, forget it. I've got a family to think about. What would they think if I defended this creep? He's clearly guilty. Proceed. *walk out*"

Well now you clearly stated that if the Mollys attempted to attack Zoners in any way they will get vaporized. Still dosen't mean they will try. Again, Molly put the Zoners to unfriendly/hostile, no problem there aye?

5) I guess. Refer to item Four. As I see it, we deal with things on an individual basis - if somebody wants to come pl0x us, they can. Speaking strictly in a literal sense of course. Some *cough* HEADS UP *cough* would be nice from time to time though.

Factions/groups who also want a part of the Zoner-cake might demand some, what happens then? Maybe other factions demands more. Back to the Kid A and Kid B scenario then...

As they say, you can't satisfy everyone. People are greedy and always want more. You try to fix the problem you instead spawn more.

This is why the Zoners either do NOTHING to ANY faction/group and be neutral.
OR you do SOMETHING to a certain faction/group and deal with the consequences.

That's the way I see it at least. This then goes back to Zoners being a scatter-brained group of individuals who just want to get away from House life. Funny how things come full circle, isn't it? Turned out to be less gank supporting than the eager agreement made it seem. Hooray.

The "Zoners are just a bunch of scatter-brained group of individuals who wants to get away from the House life" is a poor explaination of their current state in THIS time (4.85 era.). Now they don't have some petty Freeports scattered across Sirius along with providing everyone a small safe haven. Now they got Planets, more contracts/agreements with various factions/groups and lastly... a hell alot more vessels and power. This all produces consequences with other people.

Edit: Fixed the Kid A and Kid B scenario, messed up with the letters. Please re-read it if you read my post prior to the edit.

[bluntpencil2001]

Zeltak is 100% correct, but if we could get back to how the QCP are innocent of all charges, I'd appreciate it.

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[Zeltak]

Zeltak is 100% correct, but if we could get back to how the QCP are innocent of all charges, I'd appreciate it.

Got off-topic my apologies will be quiet now even if anyone decides to reply.

[Magoo!]

You talk about "verbal ganking", seems like you are doing just the same by stating I ignore logic and just continue to verbally "gank" Zoners. That is basically calling me a stupid flamer, so it goes both ways eh? Oh and I won't even comment on the "read more than just the first sentence" part either.

Turned out to be less gank supporting than the eager agreement made it seem. Hooray.

First impressions, Mr. Tak. Hastily agreeing with somebody against our argument makes it look like a bail of gasoline being thrown to a fire. Also, statistics. My reference, I think is clear.

Now then, referring to counterpoints to,

1) Like I said, I think I missed your initial point. But I now get that the LWB might shank Zoners, but like I told Blunt, the CoZ made friends with both groups of farmers and I think most members of the Council abide by that rule in general. Since, as it seems, one screw-up can cause trouble for everyone else who said messer-upper knew.

2) Lovely.

3) Point taken. Although they still could come over and get stuff. If both kids A and B asked nicely, they'd get an equal amount and the parents wouldn't have to deal with a quarrel that involved them. The kids can bicker all they want between themselves.

4)

Again, Molly put the Zoners to unfriendly/hostile, no problem there aye?

Nope, they can do what they want. We'll still welcome them with open arms and prepped registers in case they want to make friends again.

5) Again, refer to item four (the new one). We'll still try to hug them until they stab us. If kid A or B tries to smother the parent in their sleep, the perpetrator will be dealt with.

Footnote) No real comment. Its really between people who like how things were and people who see things evolving that the keep-same people don't, I guess. I see what you mean, but it seems like dictating what we can and can't do with our own lives (so to speak).

Header) Well, like I said, the eager agreement made it seem like fire and most people who read something they don't like, skip straight down to (in my case, I'm a fan) the quick post button and start raging or lulwutting. So, benefit of the doubt. Now then, since my header was somewhat condescending, lets ignore all further headers and potential confusion and continue this epitome of civilized discussion.

-In post, pre-post Edit- ... Kay, well still posting. Sorry. Release the raging third parties again, it seems Zeltak and I are getting kicked out.

-Double in post, pre-post Edit- Hey! I'm trying to prove how the Zoners are innocent of all charges. See, this is relevant! One of us (depending on what side you're on) is the prosecutor and the other is the defendant.

[Panzer]

This is getting outta hand >.>

My op on the subject is such, that the Zoners (as a whole) are slowly starting to behave like the holy cows of this mod/server. (Read - ONOZ! Dun touch meeeh SANKSHUUN! FORUM TRIAAAL!)

Being neutral to all is fine by me, there's been such groups throughout history.

However, the Zoners aren't a buch of introvertic weirdoes, owning a few isolated bases here and there anymore. They own a few whole systems, wehere there's nothing but Zoner real estate, shipyards, biodomes, planets... I'd even dare say they're a match for any faction out there.

How about a bit of history? Norway 1940. The Germans invaded in order to ahem... preserve the Norwegian neutrality and beat the British/French to doing the same. I don't think I have to remind anyone how it ended up.

Maybe the Zoners should actually start fighting for their neutrality? And CARING for it?

Ok, so the whole casus belli was the Zoners being too chummy with the Corsairs? Well then? Suspend their docking rights if they abuse your hospitality!

As for zhe privateers, I think they're better-off lurking around Kusari0core space and the Taus/Sigmas.Corect me if I'm wrong, but England/Great britain used to commision privateers against other states she was at war. Tae Sir Francis Drake - they guy would drive the Spaniards crazy! He did -not- however go after all who more or less supported them.

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[pbrione]

Might I make a humble suggestion to save this thread from further collapse;

Use this thread for discussion of QCP, their RP and what they are / are not, should / should not be doing

And use this thread: http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?sh...4630&st=230 for similar discussion of Zoners and anyone wishing to offer advice / critique on Zoner RP or interpretation of what role the zoners play in this, seeing as some measure of consensus was already reached in that thread.

That way we might at least prevent the current state of mudslinging back and forth between the QCP and the zoners and look for more positive solutions.

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[Othman]

Kay. We'll start orbitally bombarding the nearest planet claiming that it does no harm. Its a RP mechanism. And good lord, if you think two weeks of getting, "Lul nub, y u cry?" Is easier than heated debates with arrogant RP snobs, then you are sorely mistaken. That's a rubbish assessment of the situation, Kress.
Nath, here's the thing. They did it because we h4b0r the TRR0rZ. If they had stated, "Hey! We've seen you prancing about Kusari, group X! Steel yourself!" We wouldn't have cared nearly so much.

All you are doing here is verbal profiteering of the situation. Nobody told you to bombard a nearby planet without a bloody reason. Get your acts in shape, and don't let the Corsairs take advantage of your bases and your so called NFZ in order to stage any sort of harmful activity against other groups, simple as that. Giving absurd examples, that serve no real purpose, won't change the facts.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.

[Eppy]

All you are doing here is verbal profiteering of the situation. Nobody told you to bombard a nearby planet without a bloody reason. Get your acts in shape, and don't let the Corsairs take advantage of your bases and your so called NFZ in order to stage any sort of harmful activity against other groups, simple as that. Giving absurd examples, that serve no real purpose, won't change the facts.

Uh...I know it's not my fight, Caglar, but since the NPCs are pretty much stuck there and this is all part of the mod and stuff, doesn't that basically take away the Zoners' choice in the matter?

Also, I'd just like to reiterate:

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Quick comment - we thought that Panzer was the Leader, Swift. -Agmen

Which Dreadnought was that?

One of your nine.

[bluntpencil2001]

Uh...I know it's not my fight, Caglar, but since the NPCs are pretty much stuck there and this is all part of the mod and stuff, doesn't that basically take away the Zoners' choice in the matter?

Also, I'd just like to reiterate:

They can offer something else instead.

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[Othman]

It partially does but they still have a chance to exercise their control by diplomatical means. Not the discussions without any results though, we need effective actions, those are being called us suggestions by various people already.

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On the uncharted lagoons of anguish, I sail with a canoe made of my sins.