Queen Carina's Privateers

[jammi]

I think I put in a suggestion earlier that would take a ridiculous amount of work, but would probably stop the whining:

1) Create the character, but without the QCP tag. So QCP|Random.Guy would just be Random.Guy.

2) Go about getting guard rep, seeing as now people think you're just an indy BAF setting up - no whinging from that aspect now.

3) Buy the Privateer ID, then /droprep, and get a Freelancer IFF. So now you're Privateers that aren't blinking a Bretonian affiliation, meaning the Zoners won't be able to cry blue murder next time you do anything to them.

4) Rename yourself from Random.Guy to QCP|Random.Guy

A lot of work, but it still has the 'proving of loyalty' aspect.

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[JIVA]

just a quicknote:

the QCP ID was created in a fashion that suggested a responsible roleplay concerning the work "in FAVOUR of the political aims of the bretonian goverment in the somewhat grey areas of warfare - and on the rather unlawful side in specific locations"

so - the very basis of such an idea is that a faction can work FOR the bretonian goverment - you might call them "patriotic extremists".

now the problem about that is.... - they are patriots. they are not pirates cause they like to be pirates, they are pirates, cause they think that that only "forceful and extreme measures will REALLY assist their "sponsor" - as opposed to the mild measures within the official law".

privateers are tools in a war. - efficient tools.


so - how much has the situation changed from that?

- we are speaking OOC here, not in RP, mind. :
* are the QCP still beneficial for the bretonian goverment? ( ooc - not the in RP ways that they are exiled but cheered on in secret )
* are they focussing on what harms bretonia the most in a way that the normal military / police cannot do?

for that we would need to indeed clear up....

- are the qcp exiled and detached from the bretonian goverment for real? or just officially, while unofficially still working for them. ( don t answer that in RP - answer that ooc as it is important for the evaluating of this faction )

- if politically speaking - the qcp HARMS the politics of bretonia - how will the qcp change? - will they change? - is their greatest ambition to be bretonian patriots? - or will they turn into a renegade faction like the gaians? ( you know - gaians are unlawful cause they fight for what THEY think bretonia should do. - they turned from the crown. - if the QCP was not in agreement with the crown anymore - would they become like gaians? )

- consequences. - what consequences are applied? - right now - bretonia is under pressure by the kusari forces - but continous piracy from the corsairs - and possibly by others in the future. - the bretonian goverment has started to initiate "emergency plans for refugees" as a start - and there might be more coming depending on how things "develope".

here is a situation:

- zoners get to an agreement to supply bretonia with iridium which is direly needed at scarbourough. - the bretonian goverment GRANTS them protection in bretonia to reach their destination.

- will the QCP intercept those? [darthbeck: "so if a zoner, or anyone claims to be delivering goods. then we will ether: A, pirate him normaly. B, escort him. C, call him a lier and blow him up. or D, whatever we want to.] <-- the very last one does not look good when you wish to achieve a respected faction standing - a little more thought needs to be payed to such delicate items. if every faction ( and becoming official sets an example for others ) thought like THAT ... we d have a very very nasty server. cause everyone would go around, i do whatever i want - look at this faction, they do it, too...

- what if the zoners decide to cease this trade ( which would indeed harm the shipmaking facilities of bretonia ) cause the QCP disrupts it.

- what if zoners indeed cancelled the port jackson treaty ( which is - in RP needed for bretonia - even more in the future to come )

is the QCP still "beneficial" even unofficially for the crown? - what if they "really" fall from grace. - what are the consequences.




so the main question is really "will the QCP still roleplay as being BENEFICIAL to the crown? or will they re reckless and even put the crown into political troubles for their personal goals?" - if its the first one - ties to the bretonian goverment can be maintained. - if its the later one.... i cannot see a justified reason to keep ties to the bretonian goverment.

other factions were outlawed over less political problems and declared "officially hostile" both - in RP and as an ooc rule.

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[jammi]

- what if zoners indeed cancelled the port jackson treaty ( which is - in RP needed for bretonia - even more in the future to come )

Just another 'quicknote' but the Zoners are locked into it for ten years, and cancelling would lead to you lot paying massive reparation fees. You signed on the dotted line, you have to live with it.

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[JIVA]

not really - we made sure that we can cancel the treaty with all its consequences at any time.

that would mean that bretonia could revise their decision to officially recognize the planet - they could even stage an invasion there.

BUT - the point is.... its not necessary. - zoners and bowex get along pretty well ( bowex as in the bret goverment for that matter )

no one threatens the treaty. - but if something threatens the treaty - would it be beneficial for the bretonian goverment? even IF it could claim reparations and all?

the point is - bretonia wants port jackson, not reparations. and with the future prospects - bretonia would probably want a bit more - and a good political standing is a prerequisite.

its better to haggle for what you want than to fight for it. and fighting is something that ll become very .... common ... in bretonia - and so its better to fight only one battle and not more. - when bretonia is being pushed it would be a relieve for the goverment to achieve "better conditions based on a good political standing" than to invade gran canaria by force.

war is the last diplomatic way to solve a need ( pronounce the term "last" ) - any other means are preferred.

but even if zoners would NOT threaten to cease the treaty - the basic question stands. - is it beneficial for the crown if the QCP adds pressure? does the QCP still act as patriots then?




a little example there:

the romans invaded what is nowadays france. - they murdered hundreds of thousands.
decades later, maybe centuries. - france has prospered and the roman empire became what is known as italy.
france has an economical need - so they contact italy and they both come to a very lucrative treaty that benefits both sides.
a group of french "patriots" shows up and *reminds france of the genocide committed by the romans "back then"* and starts to fight italy, which they recon are decendents of the romans and so responsible for their actions.
sadly - no matter how or why, italy considers these "troublemakers" to be some sort of terrorists financed by french parties, NOT the official ones, but some private french underground network.
they ask france to cease the attacks - both, the verbal as well as the violent attacks.

what will france do? - france might promise to fight them and do nothing. - but france is the one that wants the treaty. - so italy puts more pressure on it - and so france realizes that what these patriots really do is sabotage THEIR ambitions to reach a peaceful treaty.


this example is lacking. - but it demonstrates the point of "how beneficial can a group be, how beneficial has it got to be and what must be done until a group of people becomes "irresponsibe" to keep for a country"

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[pbrione]

Actually, what really matters is not whether the QCP are doing what's best for Bretonia at all, what matters is that the QCP beleive that they are doing what is in Bretonia's best interest. If they beleive that the best way to help Bretonia is to get the corsairs of Gran Canaria, that is what they will try and do inRP.

The Bretonian Government and BAF don't actually hate the QCP inRP, nor do they want to see them stopped. They are "exiled" meaning that they can't use regular BAF bases because it would be embarrassingly bad PR if they did, but that doesn't mean the BAF really want to see the QCP out of action - they just have no control over them. In practice a lot of Bretonian lawfuls probably still secretly think the QCP are doing the right thing.

And, probably, yes, even if they QCP cause trouble for Bretonia diplomatically by making relations with Zoners more tense, on balance the Bretonian Government are still not really going to take more than token actions against the QCP because they are genuinely useful in disrupting Kusari trade. The BAF might send some messages to the QCP discouraging them from attacking Gran Canaria, but it is highly unlikely that anything concrete would be done; at the end of the day a fully supplied Kusari war machine free from economic disruption is far more of a concern for Bretonia than some slightly more upset Zoners. Unless the QCP start doing things that really hurt the Bretonian war effort and lose them their remaining supporters inside the government and BAF, they are going to be pretty safe from BAF retributions. And, as would-be patriots, they are unlikely to do so.

QCP attacking zoners is perhaps a little embarrassing for the Bretonian Foreign Office, but its not going to lead to any major problems for Bretonia that can't be dealt with using a little tactful diplomacy. In fact, what am I saying? The problems have already been dealt with. The diplomacy has been resolved between the CoZ and the Bretonian Government, so I've no idea why this is still being discussed as a future hypothetical issue.

Except, of course, if you beleive that as neither the Bretonian Government or Council of Zoners are "Official Factions" all diplomacy between them is meaningless.....but frankly, that's just silly.

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[bluntpencil2001]

Any updates here, folks?

Do I have to pay 500 million?

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[Quorg]

Any updates here, folks?

Do I have to pay 500 million?

Yes, payable to the RFS_Freedom.




(just kidding; don't sanction me)

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Quorg, you're officially a moron.

...mongs like Quorg being like a malignant little cancer...

Way to be useless, Quorg.

[bluntpencil2001]

Yes, payable to the RFS_Freedom.
(just kidding; don't sanction me)

:D:D:D

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[bluntpencil2001]

So, we got told to make ourselves a new faction in our (now closed) warning...

Does that mean that we were pre-approved to become official? I reckon it does. Thanks!

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[Koolmo]

Hahaha, do it up man...

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