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[jcolwell]

Wait... I -said- I didn't have a problem with you posting it. I didn't say "OH GOD PLEASE POST THIS MASSIVE WALL OF TEXT, THAT WOULD MAKE ME EXTRA SUPER-HAPPY".

Sorry, i interpreted it as permission, its stilll my wall o' text

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[teschy]

Oh, so you're the one who was spamming NY with OOC crap a couple of weeks ago, even after I told you to bloody stop it. Nice. You can print this rant on a roll of toilet paper.

[McNeo]

Ill address your concerns about the Liberty Navy. I'd do so about the Phantoms as well, but I really cant be arsed to write a wall as long as yours.

Liberty Navy
Rant
The Liberty Navy, wow, you are supposed to be a NAVY, I do not see the navies of the world handing out their battleships to anyone who rocks up and asks for one Seriously, moderate the amount of people who can buy a Navy Capship, and fix up your RP, (this is for some of you, not necessarily all), I mean is it good RP to threaten to obliterate a smart mouthed trader? And when the Cartel is pirating is it good RP to leave them alone? And what about the Phantoms? They are supposed to be evil homicidal madmen and you do not even ask them to stop?
Summary of my issues with the faction
Extreme overspam of Liberty capships
Some of the players RP is not so good
They are not much help against pirates
Possible solutions to the problems
Place some restrictions on the use of Liberty capships, Make sure that people have decent RP before they can buy one, and make people apply for all capships, you could make the Liberty capships that are not registered on a Hunt and Destroy list.
Fix up the RP, I mean you are supposed to be protecting the traders not threatening to kill them for making a joke about you
You need to actively respond to all pirates in the Liberty sector, not just say ORLY? When a trader reports 2 LR bombers in the next system and just sit there.

First of all, we do threaten to shoot smart-mouthed traders. In fact, I endorse this. Very few people abuse military personnel these days, even if they cannot react. Since its the internet, of course everybody roleplays smartasses. The police cant arrest you for doing so due to the game mechanic, so I'll blow you up instead.

Cartel pirating and leaving them alone? You make it sound like something was definately wrong there, but maybe the navy player died or has roleplay linking them to the Cartel? My character has some quirks about her that'll make you go 'wtf how did that happen'. You cannot make an assumption about good RP and bad RP until you know the entire circumstances of the character to which you are referring.

We can't restrict battleships/cruisers/battlecruisers seriously until a variant of faction law 5 comes into force, which is not likely to happen this century. Though, if they act like idiots, I hop on the durango and give them a few heavy mortar shots to think about.

But then again, if shooting traders is bad RP, shooting your own guys must be bad RP too.
Did I mention that, if you get my character angry enough, she will shoot anything? Even her own men directly under her command? [LN]-Christina.Robinson shooting [LN]-Curtis.Elwood with real intent to kill. I have a feeling you'd scream out of roleplay straight away, but open your mind and try to understand that things arent always as they seem.

If you make an assumption about my roleplay for this particular character and still conclude that it is out of roleplay, then I will consider you a lost cause. There are reasons for these things, just that they are not visible. Most aren't visible even after I've explained it here. There is cause and there is effect, and I only explained the effect.

About the actively responding to pirates in the Liberty sector.
I had someone PM me whilst I was in New York about a pirate in California I think.
I was getting shot by six Phantoms and two random mercenaries at the same time.
This was a few days ago.
Which is the bigger threat? You tell me.

Again, things arent always as they seem. You'll do yourself good if you stop assuming you're right.

That said, I make your mistake a lot too. I assume things.:unsure:
Fair enough.

[jcolwell]

Ill address your concerns about the Liberty Navy. I'd do so about the Phantoms as well, but I really cant be arsed to write a wall as long as yours.
First of all, we do threaten to shoot smart-mouthed traders. In fact, I endorse this. Very few people abuse military personnel these days, even if they cannot react. Since its the internet, of course everybody roleplays smartasses. The police cant arrest you for doing so due to the game mechanic, so I'll blow you up instead.

Cartel pirating and leaving them alone? You make it sound like something was definately wrong there, but maybe the navy player died or has roleplay linking them to the Cartel? My character has some quirks about her that'll make you go 'wtf how did that happen'. You cannot make an assumption about good RP and bad RP until you know the entire circumstances of the character to which you are referring.

We can't restrict battleships/cruisers/battlecruisers seriously until a variant of faction law 5 comes into force, which is not likely to happen this century. Though, if they act like idiots, I hop on the durango and give them a few heavy mortar shots to think about.

But then again, if shooting traders is bad RP, shooting your own guys must be bad RP too.
Did I mention that, if you get my character angry enough, she will shoot anything? Even her own men directly under her command? [LN]-Christina.Robinson shooting [LN]-Curtis.Elwood with real intent to kill. I have a feeling you'd scream out of roleplay straight away, but open your mind and try to understand that things arent always as they seem.

If you make an assumption about my roleplay for this particular character and still conclude that it is out of roleplay, then I will consider you a lost cause. There are reasons for these things, just that they are not visible. Most aren't visible even after I've explained it here. There is cause and there is effect, and I only explained the effect.

About the actively responding to pirates in the Liberty sector.
I had someone PM me whilst I was in New York about a pirate in California I think.
I was getting shot by six Phantoms and two random mercenaries at the same time.
This was a few days ago.
Which is the bigger threat? You tell me.

Again, things arent always as they seem. You'll do yourself good if you stop assuming you're right.

That said, I make your mistake a lot too. I assume things.:unsure:
Fair enough.

Finally, some positive feedback:), i am referring in my not responding to pirates for when the Aurora is just sitting there at the entrance to the Z-21 minefield and doing exactly squat. Or when other players are doing about that.

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[tansytansey]

If you hate everything, then why the crap are you here?

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[jcolwell]

Its not that i hate everything, if you want i can post a what i love about Discovery freelancer, it might be a bit longer than this and people are moslty hitting me because it is a wall of text

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[reavengitair]

Read our faction status.

The Blood Dragons and their relationship with the outcasts and corsairs - both unfriendly. Why? The outcasts stabbed them in the back by using them to ship cardamine without their hostility - the very thing they are paranoid about (but they can't go hostile due to relations with the GC)... The corsairs directly influence corruption in Kusari.

Blood Dragon Battleship - I have an RP story about them. The Blood Dragons are more of a force than you think. They control/have a large influence in all of northern kusari - many systems yet to be discovered/explored. They are just about the biggest threat (along with the GC) in salvaging/pirating from traders, and when you think about it - the leader of the Blood Dragons (shared by pipboy, friday and I) is just about the most important person in the new revolutions of Kusari - should this ever happen. Of course, a single flagship - possible two or three for the richer shoguns/important people in the Blood Dragons.

The Blood Dragons and the GC arn't small pirate or terrorists groups. They are in fact a very large threat to Kusari. With the hogosha/fa and corsair corruptive influences in kusari - most of them leave. The GC gets all the women - the BD get the rest. The Blood Dragons are probably the oldest pirate/terrorist faction too - they have been around since 321 AS - thats almost 400 years. I think you could say that controlling northern Kusari for that long - yeah, its alot...

Background story for a certain bd battleship - http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44830

Sorry - forgot to mention a few things

Apart from bumping this - there is a lot of people on your side. Many people think that the Blood Dragons don't need a battleship - but I do. NOT because I like it, or I want a battleship - in fact, I would rather just get another goddamn battleship instead of wasting my 1 battleship on that old thing. However, most people just don't see that the Blood Dragons are one of the most dedicated people in sirius - the most dedicated to their cause. Others seem to like joking around - most of the people in the ]bd[ are deadly serious.

But of course, your opinion is your opinion - and I can't change that whatsoever.

[Irra]

I think this is more then spamm then General Discussion ... move it to flood? ... and you missed whole thing...

I guess you played for 1h before you posted this ... its sounds like that ... or you are just a 5 year old kid with access to internet. Funny ... very funny ...Sirius criticisms hahahahahaha ...

Zoners.... they are rich ... currently no missions for them only way is to bribe ... and problem is with players not faction if they use oorp routes ... and its same for each faction its not faction mostly its one or two players that make it bad for someone ...

Phantoms , Keepers , Wilde ... imagine what would happen if they lower their standads ... they would have massive numbers and most of them would only go to pvp and use their amazing technology without no rp

Hmm ... ok ... you got all wrong about Order expect we have many capitals ... yes its a bit problem but ... you don't follow rest of forum ... you ever checked topic about capital ships restrictions in all factions and about it. Order is allied with Zoners and we do trade you just dont know that ... and nomad weapons ... RP man . yes they are good ... but still i dont see nothing wrong with them ... they were built once and now its easy after they made it couple of times ... and probably they reduced price ... you still pay for them you know? ... its good ... i know you would like to have non order char with nomad guns ... you can do that use special rp story and ok

Liberty Navy ... hmm ... yes ... yes ... you ever saw single pirate in system when there is group of atleast 5 navy ships? ... no ... why they are all gone and scared ... dead ... but when there is one or two fighters ... you cant do a nothing against 10 pirates in system ... if you manage to do that good ... but i cant ... ... most of them wait to get online to their chars when there is no lawfuls in Liberty. if you are so smart make Navy char and keep law in Liberty alone

Gallia ... hmm ... you want to power trade there ... trade there ... well you should read about it and its RP ... and if you want to create there char its easy bribe council and there it is ... if you want to GRN or GRP or what not ... you can always call someone off us to help you with repping or something ...


I have many complains on your seeing of things ... forgot all since i read first post in topic ... its a just funny
This whole topic sounds like one topic about Rogues battleship ... pointless and stupid ... so ... close it ? ... move it to floods ...? and yes i wasted time on this stupid thing ...

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[Jihadjoe]

Phantoms
Rant
Okay, first off, way too restricted. They get really awesome-looking ships and you only ever see one or two online if you are lucky. They never use the Umbrage/Huntress for RPing in so one of the coolest looking ships in the game is never seen. I do not have too much to complain about their RP, some of the time it is good, some of the time it is bad, same with all factions. What gets me is that it is a faction that has SOOOO much potential that is not used! I mean, you could make the C’tan then put them up in the top right with the Phantoms being the gatekeepers for them, Restrict the Phantom ID a little, focus them on bringing in cargo to C’tan bases when it is needed for analysis. Stuff like that, and then you could have the C’tan go to war with the houses of Sirius, the houses all pull together, sort of like in the Nomad war, Have them also attack the criminals, fuse the Corsairs and Outcasts, then have the C’tan prevented from killing the criminals and houses then you have the united houses vs. the united criminals, and the crims would be better because of tech sharing and resource pooling, same with the houses.
Summary of my issues with the faction
Too restricted, Joining is impossible, you have to be invited
So much potential there, so much potential not used
Coolest looking ships in the game, not much use of them
Not enough Players
Possible solutions to the problems
Make the faction a bit bigger, allow people to apply sort of like the Nomads, but not like them because that is difficult, maybe have players invited when they RP getting a phantom out of a sticky situation?
Make the phantoms into a bigger faction, Bring on the C’tan like I said in my rant, Make them into the Go-Betweens between the Humans and the C’tan for a while, maybe the C’tan can declare war on the humans then and… well, it’s in the rant
Make the ships more widely available, bring back the Huntress as a Zoner ship again, Have someone raid the Base for the plans to the ships?
Like above, expand the faction both in NPCs and in Players

Have you read the ID? The C'Tan are absent from Sirius, and the Phantoms are tools of theirs. Furthermore opening the faction up for people to join more freely wouldbe a massive mistake. Read the ID then look at the gear. How do you think the majority of this community would go about usng a phantom tagged and ID OC dread for example?

Not enough players... Well, again. Read the ID. Read the backstory, read read read. I will refuse to accept your point of view until you show some actual knowlege of what they are about.

Liberty Navy
Rant
The Liberty Navy, wow, you are supposed to be a NAVY, I do not see the navies of the world handing out their battleships to anyone who rocks up and asks for one… Seriously, moderate the amount of people who can buy a Navy Capship, and fix up your RP, (this is for some of you, not necessarily all), I mean is it good RP to threaten to obliterate a smart mouthed trader? And when the Cartel is pirating is it good RP to leave them alone? And what about the Phantoms? They are supposed to be evil homicidal madmen and you do not even ask them to stop?
Summary of my issues with the faction
Extreme overspam of Liberty capships
Some of the players RP is not so good
They are not much help against pirates
Possible solutions to the problems
Place some restrictions on the use of Liberty capships, Make sure that people have decent RP before they can buy one, and make people apply for all capships, you could make the Liberty capships that are not registered on a Hunt and Destroy list.
Fix up the RP, I mean you are supposed to be protecting the traders not threatening to kill them for making a joke about you
You need to actively respond to all pirates in the Liberty sector, not just say “O’RLY?” When a trader reports 2 LR bombers in the next system and just sit there.

Right, I run the [LN]. Believe me, the endless stream of LABCs I see on a daily basis makes me want to shoot myself. We were operating basically that system of registration. Basically we set up a voluntary registration, whereby the players hada few rewards involved for registering their ships with the official faction. Those who didn't register, didn't get those rewards (help with RP if requested, active backup from the official faction, integration into our way of doing things etc), and if they screwed up, did stupid thing then we blew them up. If those who had registered their ship did stupid thing we'd remove them from the register, ask them to clean up their act, and then if they screwed up again, we'd blow them up.

I got yelled at, I got abuse, I got told to stop by one former admin, despite the fact that for some time it worked and you didn't see the vast and absurd number of carriers and LABC's around that you do now, and the ones you did see actualy roleplayed.

As for responding to pirates. The [LN] does try, just sadly every time we log on we have a que of OVER NINE THOUSAND outcasts, rogues, xenos, lane hackers, order, RM and god knows what else, all queing up at manhattan to take shots at us.

I know it's liberty, but seriously give us a damned break. Raiding every four damned hours isn't cool alright?

Nomads/Wild
Rant
Okay, like the phantoms, a lot of potential, some of this is realized as they have a guard system with some interesting stuff in it, they could be bigger, they are supposed to be dominant in the middle left of the map and they only have like 2 or 3 bases for the nomads. The Wild are also not being brought to their full potential, if they are a defected Rheinland fleet then they should have Rheinland battleships and cruisers (a limited supply). But they have Rheinland fighters and weird looking gunships.
Summary of my issues with the faction
Too exclusive
Way too difficult to do the proper RP to get in
Slightly random when you see them in New York, How do they know the docking codes for the Navy Jump Gate? How do they use the Human technology to travel?
Possible solutions to the problems
Make it a little less overpowered; make it less difficult to get in
There should be a set RP for the nomad juveniles so that people can RP properly and there should be naming restrictions so that they can get noticed by the Keepers and their RP observed and corrected if it is off.
There should be a Jump Hole to Alaska for then the system was discovered, you can’t just find a system by pointing a jump gate and hoping, This JH could be used by the nomads thus meaning that they do not have to use human tech to get into Alaska.

Read. The. Lore.

I'll say nothing else. This is a rant formed in ignorance. You might also want to read the development documents for Liberty as a whole.

Lane Hackers
Rant
Why, Why, Why, Why, Why? Why do these criminals have a battleship? That is even less sensible than the fact that the LR have Cruisers, and if the LH have the resources to make a battleship then why do they have an outcast battleship defending the entrance to their guard system?

Because the guard system is owned by the [HF] Read the [HF] back story to discover they are not lane hackers. They just happen to use a lane hacker tag. Everything about that faction has a history. Until you understand it and know what it's about, then be quiet. Vespucci is -not- the lane hacker guard system It just has lane hacker guard NPC's. It is the Hellfire Legion guard system. Thank you.


I'm not going to respond to your other rants, but those are the ones that stood out at me as being the furthest off the mark.

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[jcolwell]

Ah, thanks for that, i just do not see the point of so many individual battleships except that the model makers can go ooo, look what i made!

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