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[Jihadjoe]

What on earth do you mean about there being no trade in Rheinland? I trade there all the time, and see load of other transports happily waltzing along with not a care in the world for pirates.

Hell, last night I was talking to Bluntpencil on skype with 26million credit's worth of uncut diamonds in my mining ship's hold, sat in space near Mannhiem station with Freelancer minimised, and I wasn't even remotely concerned about getting pirated.

Frankfurt has a lot of trade running through it, Hamburg and the borderworlds has tons of embargo runners, Munich has people trading through it all the time, to Nuremburg. Last night, while I was casually sat around on my indy RM wrath, I was watching a nice little stream of traders wandering around new berlin for an hour or so.

If the responce from the lawfuls is over the top, then take that to them, don't just go wandering out of your ZoI. Perhaps their over-reaction is because they're finally getting some action from the pirates.

There is -loads- of trade in rheinland, go pirate it.

You have zero NPCs in Liberty, you have zero interest in Liberty's politics, you have no interest in Liberty.

I have yet to see a good reason for you to be there, other than "we were pirating" which was, after all the issue I was taking in the first place.

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[Dab]

AU wants to stop Liberty from taking over Rheinland, and right now Liberty is winning the war with Rheinland. It's the same reason the Hessians shoot them, and the Bundschuh. The only difference is that the Unioners are based out of Bering, one jump from both Liberty and Rheinland. Unioner presence in Texas really is not abnormal. Especially if ESS or Xenos are involved.

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[Jihadjoe]

AU wants to stop Liberty from taking over Rheinland, and right now Liberty is winning the war with Rheinland. It's the same reason the Hessians shoot them, and the Bundschuh. The only difference is that the Unioners are based out of Bering, one jump from both Liberty and Rheinland. Unioner presence in Texas really is not abnormal. Especially if ESS or Xenos are involved.

Pirating 12/15k from the New York gate with an LRF member?

Dab, I'm an ex member of the AU, I left because I didnt have the time. During my time in the AU I see to remember The Unioners being a Rheinland group. You don't see Blood Dragons pirating Liberty because that's where all the gaijin traders come from.

I'm concerned from two different perspectives.

1. What has happened to all the Unioners? What a loss for Rheinland!
2. Why do I have to deal with yet -another- group in Liberty who want to take a chunk out of the lawfuls, only this time without any basis in logic or lore that I can see?

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[Albert Profrock]

Still, taking Texas over isn't part of our goals, not yet. We have better things to do right now, I really don't see how spreading our relatively low number through 3 different systems, that are heavily defended because of the War, is doing us any good. :/

That's all I've had to say.

Taking over Texas? Hardly. And who said so? Do you acknowledge basic trade lane piracy as a take over? Rogues, Xenos, Hackers and Outcasts are all taking over Liberty everyday then. Launching swift forays into house territories is a part of the modern Unioners roles because of the ongoing war. There is no spreading of numbers either at any rate. We prefer to act as a whole most of the times. Besides, one could always set his or her goals independent and indifferent from an official faction. You could always prefer not to enter Liberty space, while the faction wouldnt blame you for that or try to encourage you in the opposite way. In this case, Id expect the same respect against our internal policies from the people unaffliated with our faction.

Well... One of the reasons I ask is that rheinland is somewhat quiet. I've been sat in dresden in a kruger tagged and ID'd mining ship for just a little over an hour now, with nothing happening. I've -never- been pirated in rheinland while on my traders, and I've only been involved in one fight with the Rheinland unlawfuls on my indy RM.

There is loads of trade and potential mining in Rheinland, yet I don't see the pirates to match it.

You were logged in your Kruger just a little over an hour, and because you werent pirated in that relatively short period, you are now blaming an official factions motives to use Texas for piracy as an alternative, which they could fairly do? Were we obliged to coincide with your Kruger such that only then would you be satisfied about the adequecy of the activites of Rheinland pirates? Judging by this, one could well say that he was logged on in some system, and because he sat at one point he couldnt interact with anyone, so he now believes that the entire universe is dead.

Not only does not this marginal inquiry of yours validate that our faction havent been reasonably active in Rheinland in chase of interdicting both corporate and incorporate trade for almost months since we are established, but it only narrates of a lonely, motionless and most probably lazy one hour of yours, independent from the real facts.

As a matter of fact, there arent loads of trade in Rheinland mainly because of the Liberty-Rheinland war and the blockade that is still in effect. People mostly prefer the Kusari-Bretonia trade to the Liberty-Rheinland trade due to the passage between Kusari and Bretonia being expandable and easier, having alternative routes between the two houses, as opposed to how Liberty and Rheinland are connected to each other with only two systems, each linked with Hamburg, where lots of naval action and chaos is focused rather than being scattered in a wider zone. Because of this and the sigma and omega systems being more restricted and not viable for our purposes, we are one of the factions least likely to find proper targets for piracy. This is quite a valid ground and reason for Unioners to operate in Texas and even in other areas of Liberty in order to expand their chances for credits robbery and cargo extortion during times its tough to operate in Rheinland. I personally wouldnt expect them to be so fairplayers either, as they are desperately looking for resources and ways to stay unharmed during the relentless skirmishes ensued so close to them.

Mining potential? We aint miners mate, we are bloody pirates. We dont mine, we plunder, we maraud, we steal, we raid... Mining falls in Krugers department, you should have a look at it with your Kruger.

The AU are hardly pushing forward their own goals by pirating texas with -anyone-, let alone on their own.

AU, as an official faction, try to push forward its own goals in Rheinland as best as it could. However, todays modern conjecture necessitates our factions regardless of the affliation advancing into Liberty as well in order to hit its trade and hurt its economy as much needed as in Rheinland. Only then could we ensure that we afflict both participants of the war as we are supposed to do.

To top it off, Liberty already has approximately 928364897256342 unlawful groups knocking about. I don't see any reason for a group of Rheinland pirates to add themselves to the list.

To top it on, Liberty could have 928364897256342 to the power of 928364897256342 unlawful groups for all I care. Not you and not even your grandfather could dictate where my factions interests would be. Besides, its perfectly legitimate for Unioners to be in Texas for mainly two good reasons.

1) Hitting trade in Liberty, while operating in Rheinland is either more dangerous or less time efficient, productive and profitable.
2) Assembling assault groups in order to raid both corporate and naval entities of Liberty, more preferably as hit and run attacks.

Proflock, while the Unioners are based in the borderworlds, so are the xenos generally. They have two bases in the borderworlds (Nome in Kepler and Barrow in Hudson), yet they concentrate purely on Liberty, and the borderworlds.

Where Xenos prefer to concentrate is none of my factions concern, except Hudson. We are truly concerned with their existence there and have been battling in turf wars to remove them from Hudson for once and all.

The Unioners are a similarly motivated group politically. What are they going to change about Rheinland by pirating texas?

Unioners are far away from being politically motivated, however the AU is. You should examine the Bundschuh for that matter. And they arent going to change anything related with their Rheinland affairs by participating in malevolent acts in Texas but their affairs related with Liberty as explained above.

Also, Grail, that's almost as bad as a Corsair halting people for 'donations' in Alaska. You're supposed to cripple Rheinland, not Liberty. It derails from your purpose. Not to mention getting in Xeno/Outcast/Lane Hacker territory. Those folks hate rheinlanders with a passion.

Xenos do naturally hate Unioners. Does it stop Unioners to operate in the same system with them such as Hudson? They could well fight in Texas similarly. Moreover, there is no clue anywhere as to how and why Outcasts hate Unioners, who have been staying neutral in the hispanic conflict since they abandoned their old alliance with Corsairs. Then again, official factions could always set different policies and execute them but from what I have seen, and if you look at our message dump including the recent diplomatical transmissions, the Outcast leadership have ordered the ESS to move out of Bering and not to engage Unioners for one, while as an official faction Im yet to see any of us clashing with Outcasts in any instance. Liberty isnt an Outcast territory either, it would be wrong to make such a description. They do base there though and exist there such as Xenos, Rogues and Hackers. Outcast territory would be Omicron Alpha and some other adjacent sectors harboring their bases and core traffic. While we are discussing official faction preferences here, Id also like to note that Alster Union and Hellfire Legion have partcipated in many joint operations against the navy and police in Texas in a recent interval of time. Another reference could be found here - in our mesage dump # post 14 -, where we had a joint espionage event with a couple of independent Hackers, those who are or were actually known to have ties with the official faction LH aka Lane Hackers.

It doesnt derail from our purpose, instead, it adds to our purpose, widens it. Feel free to re-read the above.

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[Dab]

Dab, I'm an ex member of the AU, I left because I didnt have the time. During my time in the AU I see to remember The Unioners being a Rheinland group. You don't see Blood Dragons pirating Liberty because that's where all the gaijin traders come from.

Is Liberty invading Kusari? No, so you don't see Kusari pirates there.
Is Kusari invading Bretonia? Yes, and you see Hogosha and FA in Leeds. You also see Privateers in Kusari. Should we say, "No! You can't send Privateers into Kusari to cripple your war opponent's economy, they're Bretonia, they should never leave Bretonia!"

2. Why do I have to deal with yet -another- group in Liberty who want to take a chunk out of the lawfuls, only this time without any basis in logic or lore that I can see?

Was the entire Liberty vs Rheinland, or Bretonia vs Kusari based in lore? No. Unioner activities in Texas are based on logic however.

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[Pinko]

15 k from NY gate still is weird. How do you get pass all of the Navy fleet?

EDIT: When was the last time the Unioners ever been to Munich?

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[Jihadjoe]

You were logged in your Kruger just a little over an hour

Four hours, in which I made a lot of money in your territory, traveling through frankfurt along with huge numbers of other traders.

and because you werent pirated in that relatively short period, you are now blaming an official factions motives to use Texas for piracy as an alternative, which they could fairly do?

Alternative? I haven't seen you pirate anywhere else!

Were we obliged to coincide with your Kruger such that only then would you be satisfied about the adequecy of the activites of Rheinland pirates? Judging by this, one could well say that he was logged on in some system, and because he sat at one point he couldnt interact with anyone, so he now believes that the entire universe is dead.

No, you are not obliged to work by my clock, that would be totally unfair of me to expect that. I am using an example however Kress. You may or may not have noticed that my IND has also been trundling around Rheinland rather a lot of late. When I say rather a lot, I mean that I'm on an epic trade grind at the moment.

At no point have I been pirated by the AU or any other group in Rheinland. I have not seen a Rheinland pirate's face at all, aside from in texas. This implies to me that something is rather awry.

Not only does not this marginal inquiry of yours validate that our faction havent been reasonably active in Rheinland in chase of interdicting both corporate and incorporate trade for almost months since we are established, but it only narrates of a lonely, motionless and most probably lazy one hour of yours, independent from the real facts.

See above.

As a matter of fact, there arent loads of trade in Rheinland mainly because of the Liberty-Rheinland war and the blockade that is still in effect. People mostly prefer the Kusari-Bretonia trade to the Liberty-Rheinland trade due to the passage between Kusari and Bretonia being expandable and easier, having alternative routes between the two houses, as opposed to how Liberty and Rheinland are connected to each other with only two systems, each linked with Hamburg, where lots of naval action and chaos is focused rather than being scattered in a wider zone.

There is a large amount of trade running between bretonia and the heart of rheinland. I know because I have been a part of it and have been watching it on my indy RM.

Because of this and the sigma and omega systems being more restricted and not viable for our purposes, we are one of the factions least likely to find proper targets for piracy. This is quite a valid ground and reason for Unioners to operate in Texas and even in other areas of Liberty in order to expand their chances for credits robbery and cargo extortion during times its tough to operate in Rheinland. I personally wouldnt expect them to be so fairplayers either, as they are desperately looking for resources and ways to stay unharmed during the relentless skirmishes ensued so close to them.

The perceived lack of trade does not give you an excuse to just up and leave your roots and bugger off to another house. I will quote myself...

You don't see Blood Dragons pirating Liberty because that's where all the gaijin traders come from.

Mining potential? We aint miners mate, we are bloody pirates. We dont mine, we plunder, we maraud, we steal, we raid... Mining falls in Krugers department, you should have a look at it with your Kruger.

I was refering to you stealing from miners. Miners are viable piracy targets. I was mining and travelling with new fewer than four other miners for several hours last night.

AU, as an official faction, try to push forward its own goals in Rheinland as best as it could. However, todays modern conjecture necessitates our factions regardless of the affliation advancing into Liberty as well in order to hit its trade and hurt its economy as much needed as in Rheinland. Only then could we ensure that we afflict both participants of the war as we are supposed to do.
To top it on, Liberty could have 928364897256342 to the power of 928364897256342 unlawful groups for all I care. Not you and not even your grandfather could dictate where my factions interests would be. Besides, its perfectly legitimate for Unioners to be in Texas for mainly two good reasons.

1) Hitting trade in Liberty, while operating in Rheinland is either more dangerous or less time efficient, productive and profitable.
2) Assembling assault groups in order to raid both corporate and naval entities of Liberty, more preferably as hit and run attacks.

In practical terms it may be more dangerous to operate in Rheinland. The Rhienland military is bored mainly, because it has little combat duty within the house itself, unless the Liberty Navy comes calling. However, if you were to do a little reading, you will discover that Rheinland has a much smaller defence budget than Liberty, who have the spending (in roleplay) to wage war on two other houses at the same time.

With regards to respecting the various players who play in Liberty, would it not be worth considering the 928364897256342 groups might be a little too much to deal with without adding yours on the top.

If you had played a liberty liawful character, you would be more than aware that you spend your entire time rushing from one crazy emergency to the next, and should you lose a fight, it means that the various systems are just a mass of gunboats yelling the word "corrupt" at any opportunity they can find for the next four hours until you can come back and restore some semblance of order and tranquility to the place.

Your wish to inflict yourself upon a place which according to your groups' description you should have little interest in, I find a little annoying.

Where Xenos prefer to concentrate is none of my factions concern, except Hudson. We are truly concerned with their existence there and have been battling in turf wars to remove them from Hudson for once and all.

The point being made here, is that with the xenos presence in Texas, you would find it much harder (with more stretched supply) to operate here than in the borderworlds. I find it a little odd that you feel perfectly comfortable to watlz right up to the texas gate and pirate there. It is something of a concern.

"Unioners are far away from being politically motivated. You should examine the Bundschuh for that matter. And they arent going to change anything related with their Rheinland affairs by participating in malevolent acts in Texas but their affairs related with Liberty as explained above."

The Unioners are, to my understanding, largely recruited from disgruntled shipyard workers (or were at least). They may well be sellouts by now, but their group started as an armed workers union. Their piracy at least in part exploits this revolutionary feel by appealing to people with rhetoric (then guns). Or at least that was my memory, having been a member of your faction and leaving due to a lack of time. That remaining revolutionary spirit does not include Texas.

"Xenos do naturally hate Unioners. Does it stop Unioners to operate in the same system with them such as Hudson? They could well fight in Texas similarly."

Not really, due to the larger presence of the local law enforcement. The Xenos would be fighting alongside the local law in order to shove you back out. Your group, being tiny, wouldn't be able to cope with that.


"official faction"

How many active members do you have?


EDIT: Broke the code somewhere along the line... lots of quotes and the last three broke. Italics in quotation marks are... well... quotes.

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[Benjamin]

That unioner base in munich makes even less sense than unioners at the NY gate. Unioner base, billions of miles from their closest base, nearest thing i think is planet kurile? It sells artifacts and synth food bribes?

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[Pinko]

That unioner base in munich makes even less sense than unioners at the NY gate. Unioner base, billions of miles from their closest base, nearest thing i think is planet kurile? It sells artifacts and synth food bribes?

All Unioner bases offer Synth Food bribes.

Artefacts come from our old alliance with the 'Sairs.

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I want to get off Mr. Igiss' wild ride.

[mwerte]

Isn't there a Kruger mining facility they're harassing in Munich? And I know Republican has a fairly large stake in Nurenburg as a ground-based shipyard thingy.

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