"RIGHT 1) Official Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their owned systems and tax players who enter owned system. However, properly Tagged and ID'd independent players may enter Guard/Owned systems, and cannot be taxed. Access to systems that surround owned system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction."
Tau-44 is the Guard system of the Colonial Republic, therefore 'properly ID'd and IFF'd' players would need to wear the flag of the Colonial Remnant.
There are no Colonial independent players and the IMG are also not the Colonial Remnant.
The Colonial Remnant may use every force they deem necessary to guard this system from every trespasser.
Groups that want to purchase a Zephyr class Carrier might ask for permission via the appropriate communication channels.
I hope that clears that now.
' Wrote:Please take those arguments out of our thread. Beardface is not one of us. ...
This issue is also an issue for your 'faction'; if you insist on buying a Zephyr, then you should do it via the proper communication channels. And not just buy it right away after you gathered the money and repped a ship.
We are clearing here some misunderstandings up for you.
And I believe same applies for the Nyx VeryHeavyFighter ship, which you wanted to use also.
' Wrote:As it is now Nyx's are IMG ships. Im not going to argue over this. If the infocard changes we will. In RP our ships are made on Aland shipyard.
Good luck trying to sneak into 44 and to steal one of those ships.
We will watch out, thanks for the warning.
EDIT: And again, no-one ever said that your request for ships would be refused right away, but its really nice to see how much you care about a short negotiation to acquire the ships you want to use. You would rather waltz into a Guard system that doesnt belong to the faction you will be affiliated with as to engage Forum RP? Interesting.
Wow, I'm not here for two days and this whole thread explodes...I'll try to answer some questions and tell my opineon on some of your...'statements'.
' Wrote:About the Zeph it's Current selling place is in Tau 44 wich is the Colonial Gaurd System.
So if you think of buying a Zeph better check with the CR first.
Zephyr Infocard:
"Zephyr" Class IMG Carrier
Built to serve at the core of IMG expeditionary fleets; Zephy class carriers house the craft, equipment and supplies that make large scale extra solar expeditions possible. Containing large numbers of Pythos and Nyx patrol craft within revolutionary revolving cradles, each of these vessels is a self contained staging ground for operations far afield.
Maybe ask IMG first if they allow you to build one in your shipyard?
About the BC if you think ya need em to RP ya aint doing it right,but your choice.
And yeah killing lulwuts with it works untill they bring the BS's after ya.
Ya be better of with a group of Pytho's.
If you can judge other peoples RP without seeing it ingame you are really a visionary. Respect.
And do i read your map wrong or does it incl. Tau 44 as ZOI?
Again better check with the CR about these things.
This has been corrected, as Darkavatar stated.
What more? oyeah enjoy ,wish ya the best of luck ya will need it with some smugglers
' Wrote:Fail, CR is currently.. what was that.. neutural with IMG.
I don't care. CR is neutral to the IMG| player faction, we are part of the IMG NPC faction atm, since we are not official, meaning our diplomacy =|= IMG| diplomacy. Our attitude towards you will stay friendly until you do something that makes us change this.
No matter guard or not. Tau 44 belong to CR, means that Tau 44 is under CR controll and CR are making rules there... And since this ship is sold at Colonial shipyards and we are guarding them... well... you got the point, you have to contact with CR HQ first.. Right now there was no diplomation discussions between IAF and CR, so we deside to move our relations to neutural. Your ships are not realy welcome in tau 44(we will ask you nicely to move out) untill we will deal with diplo...
I am responsible for IAF|diplomacy. I am also very busy at the moment due to some RL projects that are simply more important and pretty time consuming. I'll get on diplomacy issues as soon as I can.
' Wrote:seems like you are not aware of the situation.
Yes we cannot deny docing rights of IMG players on IMG bases(But in T44 we can do that. Station belong to us, not our fault that this ship only sold in Tau 44....). But tho IMG removed our rights to dock on IMG bases, so do we.
Oh cool, why do I constantly see CR ships undocking from Java? Like the 2 GBs the day before yesterday?
If you think that its the "one-side" thing, better think again. Still now situation is the same. IAF is neutural and are not welcome in Tau 44 untill they wold start diplo negos with us.
We are not denies their acsess to the Zephyr, they are not welcomed in Tau 44. Thats it.
' Wrote:I'll put it as delicately as my mood allows.
Oh, great, my mood is probably the same as yours right now, thank you for that
Despite obviously good intentions, the IAF could do with some humility. I wouldn't mind handing you a Zep, but your somewhat haughty behaviour. You cite RP? Fine... let's play RP.
What have we done that you call us 'haughty'? We've posted a faction proposal on the forum to get serious, constructive feedback. we also could have just gone ahead and do it, but instead we are actually bothering to read and to answer to your (unfriendly) stated opineons. If you all us haughty, look into a mirror and say that again.
All hardware produced in Tau 44 is of MILITARY purpose and the primary recepient of this hardware is the Colonial Fleet. Already every single Nyx is dspatched straight to the frontline and Singapore shipyards which is NOT a commercial facility is already too busy maintaining the fleet's heavier vessels. If you absolutely need a Zephyr for... whatever purposes, ask a commercial contractor somewhere else. If nobody has the right tools and assembly lines to construct Zephyrs... not my problem really.
Either way, according to local regulations, Singapore is a military facility. Unauthorized docking or even approaching it will result in the local security units taking up measures against the trepasser. Regardless of whom it may be.
Period.
Cool, go ahead and shoot us.
' Wrote:Now lets not get stressed here eh? The RP side of this dictates Zephyr's take a long time to build. I mean the =CR= has built 3 since it entered Sirius. Four if you count the Warhammer that now serves as a station.
Now if we could churn out One every couple of weeks we would not only have four would we? I am sure all final and Fletcher are saying in thier at least more flamey way is that with the things taking so ruddy long to build it would be very rare that one would be launched from another group. Combined with the fact that no two zephyr ships are never the same.
The building process of such a vessel would be slow, the colonials do not even have a Zephyr on the building blocks at the current time. So from the aspect of RP that we seem to be striving for here even if the CR were to build a Zephyr for the IAF it would take a long time before such a ship to be launched.
We are aware that building a carrier takes time and resources and we will RP the process of building it. At Aland Shipyard.
Now to finish, threatening factions/people with sanctions is not the correct way to go about things. It is not going to win over any minds that way. It certainly hasn't won over mine and has already coloured my opinions. There was really no need to jump on the old sanction hammer at this early stage. All that was requested by Finaldragon and Andrew Fletcher is that you would open negotiations with the Colonial HQ, Now definitely from an RP sense it would be required anyway as you need use of our shipyard to build such a ship. There was nothing said about REFUSAL in this as far as i have read back. They only asked for you to use what is considered a normal channel to gain access to our system.
First, we never threatened anyone.
Second, yes, I will contact CR, as soon as I have the time (and if your attitude changes, I'm not eager to talk to people who don't even manage to tell their opineon in a civil way. This doesn't mean all of you, but still, since you dropped in here, the tone in this thread got frosty.)
' Wrote:Well it seems i was under the wrong impression i must apologise to the leadership of the IAF for my insinuations.
Kind Regards, Armageddon
Apology accepted, thank you very much!
' Wrote:This issue is also an issue for your 'faction';
Call us group or faction, not 'faction', thats disrespectful and unnecessary. CR has started small too. As an Battlestar Galactica import, mind you.
if you insist on buying a Zephyr, then you should do it via the proper communication channels. And not just buy it right away after you gathered the money and repped a ship.
I already said, we will contact all factions whith wich we will interact. Be patient.
We are clearing here some misunderstandings up for you.
And I believe same applies for the Nyx VeryHeavyFighter ship, which you wanted to use also.
What Darkavatar said, as long as the infocard says IMG, we will use it.
Best Regards.
' Wrote:Good luck trying to sneak into 44 and to steal one of those ships.
We will watch out, thanks for the warning.
EDIT: And again, no-one ever said that your request for ships would be refused right away, but its really nice to see how much you care about a short negotiation to acquire the ships you want to use. You would rather waltz into a Guard system that doenst belong to the faction you will be affiliated with as to engage Forum RP? Interesting.
We never went into your guard system as far as I am aware. I bought my ships on the stock exchange, my other IAF| ship is a Charon.
All summarized, I'm puzzled by all the hostility we got from you. We would be basically fighting a fight at your side, against an enemy you are struggeling to hold back ever since. We are using stuff which is clearly allowed to us by server rules and the ships descriptions, so don't flame us for doing this.
If you want others to follow your docking restrictions, follow others too (and yes, the point how the CR manages to get Atlas transports then still stands).
I can only repeat our reasons for using the caps. We are using them as homes and bases. To prevent retaliation strikes against regular IMG installations. The same retaliation strikes that were one reason why CR lost docking rights on IMG stations I believe.
I'm currently doing a writeup about our faction that will explain a lot of things, and as soon as I'm done with it, I'll gladly share it with all of you. This however, will take some time because as I've mentioned, I'm pretty busy right now.
I hope that tempers will calm down now a bit and we can get into a normal discussion, without any more accusations, allegations and threats. We could also continue this via PMs if you prefer that.
If we continue this here, I'd kindly ask you that just one representative of the CR talks to us about this, since its very difficult to get back to all of you and its much easier to argue and reason with a single person rather than five of them.
Kind regards,
failed to see hostility...
Why we started that to make notice to you, that before some "diplo" negos wold not be done, IAF ships are CR wold be neutural to IAF. And that they are not welcome in Tau 44. Thats it...
' Wrote:failed to see hostility...
Why we started that to make notice to you, that before some "diplo" negos wold not be done, IAF ships are CR wold be neutural to IAF. And that they are not welcome in Tau 44. Thats it...
Well its an irrelevant issue. You made me /invoke the n00bl3t.
Quote:[10:08:30 AM | Edited 10:08:34 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: The =CR= guard system.
[10:08:35 AM] Joe (Jihad): yeh?
[10:08:43 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Can I go in there and buy a Zephyr?
[10:08:45 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Or BC?
[10:08:50 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: With an IMG Guard ID?
[10:09:05 AM | Edited 10:09:09 AM] Joe (Jihad): They're labeled as IMG ships correct?
[10:09:10 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn] nods.
[10:09:24 AM] Joe (Jihad): Then wander in
[10:09:35 AM] Joe (Jihad): If the CR are sending you back out
[10:09:40 AM] Joe (Jihad): then that's a little harsh of them
[10:09:44 AM] Joe (Jihad): and really they shouldn't
[10:09:48 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Can I quote you on that?
[10:09:56 AM] Joe (Jihad): well
[10:10:02 AM] Joe (Jihad): since there is no other IMG guard system
[10:10:07 AM] Joe (Jihad): (I think)
[10:10:14 AM] Joe (Jihad): abd those are labeled as IMG ships
[10:10:32 AM] Joe (Jihad): They should allow IMG guard tagged/ID'd people to go get the ships.
[10:10:39 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn] nods.
[10:10:43 AM] Joe (Jihad): and yes
[10:10:44 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: That is what I thought as well.
[10:10:48 AM] Richard Pyle (n00bl3t) {Tumble-Weed} [Brthrn]: Lovely.
[10:10:49 AM] Joe (Jihad): You can quote that if needs be
1.
IMG has its own Guard system, called Tau 39, you can obtain an Argus Battlecruiser there if you need capital ships.
2.
' Wrote:"RIGHT 1) Official Factions are free to restrict or not restrict access to their owned systems and tax players who enter owned system. However, properly Tagged and ID'd independent players may enter Guard/Owned systems, and cannot be taxed. Access to systems that surround owned system must not be restricted unless there's a war with another faction."
Tau-44 is the Guard system of the Colonial Republic, therefore 'properly ID'd and IFF'd' players would need to wear the flag of the Colonial Remnant.
There are no Colonial independent players and the IMG are also not the Colonial Remnant.
The Colonial Remnant may use every force they deem necessary to guard this system from every trespasser.
Tau 44 is owned by CR. Your ships are not welcome untill given permission. You get the deal? Good.
' Wrote:"Groups that want to purchase a Zephyr class Carrier might ask for permission via the appropriate communication channels."
' Wrote:And again, no-one ever said that your request for ships would be refused right away, but its really nice to see how much you care about a short negotiation to acquire the ships you want to use. You would rather waltz into a Guard system that doesnt belong to the faction you will be affiliated with as to engage Forum RP? Interesting.
And Iam still amazed how hard you people try to just fly in and buy that ship instead of engaging talks in the diplomatic channels, which would also be a nice start for your faction.
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