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[n00bl3t]

Which is why I asked you, what player rights are you looking for us to write down? What 'unwritten rights' are you looking for us to write down? You've called for it, but you won't tell us what you really want.

I've read the entire thread, you're avoiding my question.

I saw the right not to be meta-gamed in there, somewhere.

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[Dab]

I saw the right not to be meta-gamed in there, somewhere.

Which is already defined as a server rule, is it not?

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[arvg]

I want the unwritten player conventions that are deemed as "Common sense rules" to be collected and placed somewhere that is easily accessible.

the things similar to what have been collected here already about meta-gaming, about ignoring IDs, about rp conventions, what is and isn't unacceptable behavior. Guidelines on what makes good RP, what would make bad RP. Also any that might not have been mentioned yet, but would save people time, energy and frustration.

Also, an explanation as to why these things are here, so that people can understand the rationale and the reasoning behind them.

It really is a simple request. Again, everyone else seems to understand what is being requested here.

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[Dab]

Laws of Sirius
Server Rules
Faction Status
Official Faction Rights
Technology Use Guidelines

Those five give everything you just asked for.

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[arvg]

Nope still a fail on what is needed.

Nothing there about RP rules on power gaming, meta gaming and the like beyond the tid-bits in faction rights, and even then the wording is vague on those subjects.

Nothing there talking about any kind of arbitration on RP level disputes.

It does say that Indies are allowed to exist, but nothing about their story lines, or their plot ideas contained there in.

And no warnings that if they should work on something that it can be struck down by Factions beyond a vague reference to Faction Canon.

Nope, there are plenty of rules out there that we are expected to just know, and can be arbitrarily changed. You yourself said there are hundreds of them.

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[Cannon]

arvg: what you ask for is not a trival task. The documents in Dab's post are the best we have.

There are several posts in the tutorials section containing advice for new players. These answer several of the questions you have.

If you must have better, I encourage you to find the information by searching old posts in the forum and interviewing people with the goal of obtaining a concensus about the right things to document. Once this is done, document it.

Personally, I suspect this task is impossible unless you worked on it full time for several months.

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[arvg]

2) Official factions that are attempting to represent the entirety of a NPC affiliation have the responsibility to be caretakers of the history and evolving storyline of the NPC faction in such a way that it remains open to involvement by non-player faction affiliates to the extent that is permitted by the server rules. Official factions have a responsibility to incorporate willing and responsible "independent" characters belonging to their NPC faction affiliation into the ordinary operations and activities taking place in the faction's territory as much as possible. Official faction members have the responsibility to set a high standard of roleplaying within character, as well as courtesy and respect during all OOC communications. Official faction members should strive to follow the spirit of the server rules to the best of their ability, and avoid rules-lawyering, loopholing, or exploiting their knowledge for personal gain. Official factions should strive to be the primary instigators of fun within the faction affiliation, and excel as problem solvers and conflict resolution experts when there are player difficulties.


Ok there we have the rule that cements Faction leadership on any kind of RP. It says that indies etc have the right to participate within server rules... what are those rules?

Not once does it mention specific guidelines about what is and what is not acceptable. I am not nit-picking here, it is too vague and too open to abuse.

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[kuth]

I am honestly unsure what you are looking for. Most rules that I know I have gleaned from players I interact with in game, on the forum, and on Skype. The links Dab posted were extremely helpful when I started playing. However, I will agree, there are a ton of rules not written down that you learn as you play via trial and error. Do they need to be written down? I am unsure.

The only thing I can think of would be this

Indie players writes bio and states his intention to rebel against his parent group but is only planning it now and is currently not rebelling. Someone reads this and then pew pews him in game under the RP guise that he is a rebel. This is clearly a case of meta/power gaming and I would file a sanction report on him for the pew pew and link the proof; but would this actually be something that is sanctionable? It is common sense not to use the info from bios but is it sanctionable? Would the offenders parent group punish him?

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[arvg]

arvg: what you ask for is not a trival task. The documents in Dab's post is the best we have.

In addition, there are several posts in the tutorials section containing advice for new players. These address several of the questions you have.

If you must have better, I encourage you to find the information by searching old posts in the forum and interviewing people with the goal of obtaining a concensus about the right things to document. Once this is done, document it.

Personally, I suspect this task is impossible unless you worked on it full time for several months.

That was the point of this thread Canon, to collect those rules that are scattered about, such as the meta-gaming rule, and pool them all into one place. Not to be definitive, but rather to help people avoid troubling mistakes. Mistakes that lead to frustration all around, and could be avoided by doing this.

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[Dab]

Nothing there about RP rules on power gaming, meta gaming and the like beyond the tid-bits in faction rights, and even then the wording is vague on those subjects.

http://discoverygc.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=39126

Specifically Number 3; If not addressed to you, your character doesn't know it. Using knowledge your character doesn't have is metagaming. So if an official faction tries to do that, they get sanctioned. Powergaming is also handled that way.

Nothing there talking about any kind of arbitration on RP level disputes.

Precisely because RP changes from one individual to another. If a faction player can prove that what an indy is doing is wrong, than the Indy is subject to the faction's power. If the indy proves that what he is doing is part of that NPC faction's canon, the official faction can't do anything against him, or they will be sanctioned.

It does say that Indies are allowed to exist, but nothing about their story lines, or their plot ideas contained there in.

Do you really think Indies aren't allowed storylines because it doesn't say they are? Rules work like this; If it says you can't do something, you can't. If it doesn't say you can't do something, you can. Isn't the bazillion RP stories written by indy characters proof enough of that?

And no warnings that if they should work on something that it can be struck down by Factions beyond a vague reference to Faction Canon.

It is the indy's responsibility to research his associated NPC faction to discover what is and is not allowed. These things aren't written on the forums, but in-game. Everything you're asking for it available in-game. Admins are not going to waste time making a post saying what every faction does do, does not do, and can not do when that information is readily available to anyone that is willing to put in the work in looking up the appropriate infocards and rumors.

Nope, there are plenty of rules out there that we are expected to just know, and can be arbitrarily changed. You yourself said there are hundreds of them.

There are hundreds of things people -can- do as that is what you're asking for. There are not hundreds of rules. Yes, you can use jump holes.. That's one. Yes, you can use jump gates, oh look another. Hundreds. And no one is going to compile a list of what you can do. That's your responsibility to find out, no one has to hold your hand and help you through the process of it. That's your job, not someone else's.

My, these arguments always make me feel like a broken record :/

EDIT: You posted as I was writing, give me a moment to read the last few.

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