Treaty of Tau

[CzeReptile]

Those cardi addicted are in fact (as someone with minimum info should know), a superior race, that live longer, with reflexes more accurate.

I will add little info from infocards
The Cardamine that opens the mind and elongates life comes at the terrible price of limited reproduction.

So your drug prolongs your life and also gives you unability to do something:)I will happily pass:D

No really this treaty, since it does not really include Remnant, will only help IMG, because we will hardly stop interdicting smugglers and slavers.

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[Salvador.P]

Current poll statistic shows that the majority of Outcasts don't mind the IMG, but IMG do mind the presence of Outcasts. Interesting when you take into account the fables of bloodthirsty Outcasts.

I don't think this no fire treaty would be very successive because there will always be tension between these two groups, especially when Colonials are around.

[Panzer]

Damn right!

I clearly remember the IMG trying to restrict the Colonial Remnant off all it's stations, an act of near hostility, and all because they tried to form a peace with the Outcasts.
I'd be terribly amused to see what the outcome of the IMG forming a peace treaty with the Outcasts would be.
Now I'm not one of the CR, but I'd reckon that they'd not look so kind upon this little venture.
Also, RP has consequences, best remember that. You can't do these things without taking them in consideration.
As it stands, Bretonia's cut off from the Taus and can't render you aid, and if wanted, and the diplomatic situation IS such, Kusari and Colonial Remnant could wreck all IMG assets in the Taus within a month.

Now I hope you won't be that rash, and if you are, I'll be one of those asking the admins to take this into consideration and would want the storyline adjusted properly if you're going to do these things.

I'd especially like you to pay careful attention to the " Kusari and Colonial Remnant could wreck all IMG assets in the Taus within a month." Part.

Look, guys, despite all the nasty stuff you did - first by butting into our playground just because at the time you had a more vanilla and community-acceptable PR/RP, then by getting chummy with the Bretonians, then checking our every diplomatic move, I'm STILL not out of patience. But guess what? If pushed too far, I MIGHT arrange that you actually pay for all the niceties you've done to me and my faction.

WITH INTEREST!

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[Ash]

The IMG need a bit more of a darker side methinks. They seem to be slipping into the side of lawfulness which isn't really who they are. Their a collection of self centered miners that care for them and themselves. They have a Freeport which suggests their not completely legit. I don't see why they would care about the Cardamine trade, as long as it doesn't land on their bases and into their hands.

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[CaltuRe]

bah, don't worry about indies. There are an Outcast Commonwealth & laws for them, and KoS also.

It's a good idea with treaty. In fact, there are nothing especially in this conflict. Outcasts doesn't hate IMG as they hate Corsairs for example. They just trying to defend their home, because IMG came too close to it.
That's why they are killing miners, patrols, which are entering Tau 37 and especially north part of the system.
IMG answer is killing cardie-slaver smugglers. And there is the all problem.

So, just use the map, which Kurosora made (sure with a few updates from each side) and all be okay.

[Dab]

I think that whole thing arose during the Colonial Remnant and Asgard Warriors era, but I could be wrong.

CR fight OC, and CR used IMG tags for a long time. Now that they've got their own ID and IFF, might be changeable.

*Facepalm* Boss, you should know better. The OC and IMG hostility was part of Vanilla FL, and was not influenced by AW or CR. Not to mention the fact that AW was never OC.

And for all the reasons stated here so far, the reasons that will eventually be stated, and reasons that may not be stated but are still valid, this proposal gets a 'lulz' from me; Just won't happen.

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[Doom]

just like Dab when i saw Boss's post i was *facepalm*...

Only reason that CR ever fought Outcast was because vanilla IMG/OC hate. Since CR used IMG tag and ID it was within their role play.

Reason that OC doesnt like IMG is stated in description of IMG stations and rumors that could be read in bases within taus...but their vanilla cards...i shall investigate this a bit to see what i can dig up

Be it as it may...i also dont see this treaty working

[Guest]

Past attempts at similar treaties have all been blasted to shreds due to BAAWing from one side or another. None of that ever happened in-RP.

It actually did all happen in-RP and is the excuse Niezck and IMG used to forbid access to IMG stations.
I can also provide links for everything that's been RPed, including an actual coup d'etat against PM Lampkin and President Wingates after the treaty fiasco and reelections.

So boo to you I guess, man.

So this means that CR's using Falkland base as hide out is not really within RP is it??

Don't know anything about that but I don't see 1 in-RP reason as to why IMG are restricting access to the Colonial Remnant.
It's all powerplaying motivated by OoRP reasons.
The IMG allows virtually anyone besides the Outcasts on their stations, and I don't see why someone who's supposed to be neutral/friendly is restricted.
It's all childish reasoning, sorry.
Myself, personally, if I had a CR character, would continue docking on Falkland until the admins sanctioned me, if they sanctioned me, because I don't recognize OoRP reasons for doing utterly irrational things in-RP which, were this "reality", would result in a prompt sacking of all IMG assets in the Taus.

But by all means, go ahead with the treaty if you feel like it.
I'll be first in line to demand a rational outcome of the Tau situation in-RP though, which, as far as I see at the moment, would manifest as a joint Kusari and Colonial Remnant force trashing the IMG's poorly defended bases while Outcasts watch laughing from the sidelines.

Eat that.

[Dab]

It actually did all happen in-RP and is the excuse Niezck and IMG used to forbid access to IMG stations.
I can also provide links for everything that's been RPed, including an actual coup d'etat against PM Lampkin and President Wingates after the treaty fiasco and reelections.

So boo to you I guess, man.
Don't know anything about that but I don't see 1 in-RP reason as to why IMG are restricting access to the Colonial Remnant.
It's all powerplaying motivated by OoRP reasons.
The IMG allows virtually anyone besides the Outcasts on their stations, and I don't see why someone who's supposed to be neutral/friendly is restricted.
It's all childish reasoning, sorry.
Myself, personally, if I had a CR character, would continue docking on Falkland until the admins sanctioned me, if they sanctioned me, because I don't recognize OoRP reasons for doing utterly irrational things in-RP which, were this "reality", would result in a prompt sacking of all IMG assets in the Taus.

But by all means, go ahead with the treaty if you feel like it.
I'll be first in line to demand a rational outcome of the Tau situation in-RP though, which, as far as I see at the moment, would manifest as a joint Kusari and Colonial Remnant force trashing the IMG's poorly defended bases while Outcasts watch laughing from the sidelines.

Eat that.

There are several in-RP reasons for IMG to restrict CR's access to IMG stations, and several in-RP reasons not to. At this point it is simply IMG's decision, as they have reasons to do either one. It's not powergaming motivated by OORP reasons. IMG allows people on their stations, so long as they do not cause them trouble. CR has caused IMG trouble in several different ways, so they are within their right and within RP to restrict their access if they want to.

If IMG really does wish to, they CAN ask admins to repfix CR so they can no longer dock on Falkland. This is an official faction right, and IMG can do that.

Your 'outcomes' about the Taus are seriously lacking in justification.. First off, what reason would KNF have to shoot the IMG? If they did, they lose Holmen as a supply depot for their offensive against Bretonia. Second, they lose all the resources IMG trades to them. Third, they gain IMG as an enemy, and IMG has several bases in Bretonia and other locations from which to attack them, as well as good relations with a number of factions that they could enlist the aid of in harming Kusari.

On top of that, if the IMG are gone, Kusari has to deal with all the Outcasts themselves, as IMG will no longer be at Falkland and Java to ward off Outcast attacks. So after wasting considerable military hardware to attack IMG while they are in the middle of a war with Bretonia, Kusari then has to devote even more military hardware in defending Kusari from the Outcasts and the IMG. So it's a lose-lose situation. They have nothing to gain from destroying IMG, and doing so will result in an even worse situation for Kusari militarily and economically.

And then the Outcasts; The Outcasts would not sit by and laugh as Kusari and CR annihilated IMG. IMG has been a thorn in the Outcast's side, yes. They very much hate each other. However, the Outcasts would use that situation to their benefit, forcing IMG to grant concessions in return for Outcast assistance. This would include vowing to not interdict or hamper Cardamine and slave shipments in any way, leaving Tau-37, and supplying the Outcasts with money and goods.

Then you have the BAF to consider. KNF would have to pull some of the ships from the frontline in order to go through with this plan, which allows the BAF a hole to bust through, damaging Kusari's war effort. Then IMG will also throw full support behind Bretonia in order to get their vengeance against Kusari. That means supplying Bretonia with Niobium and other resources used in building new ships. That means making Aland Shipyard available to BAF to help build more warships. That means IMG combat ships aiding BAF in attacks on KNF.

You haven't thought this matter through.. KNF has nothing to gain from IMG's destruction, and a lot to lose. Why else do you think they've left Holmen in IMG's hands?

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[Grumblesaur]

The IMG need a bit more of a darker side methinks. They seem to be slipping into the side of lawfulness which isn't really who they are. Their a collection of self centered miners that care for them and themselves. They have a Freeport which suggests their not completely legit. I don't see why they would care about the Cardamine trade, as long as it doesn't land on their bases and into their hands.

We already sympathize with Hessians and Mollys, being neutral with Outcasts may lean us a bit more toward that "unlawful" side, though we'd mainly be neutral.

Now as for IMG/CR/Outcast/KNF/Bretonia relations, we're moving away from Vanilla in general with factions like the CR. Wouldn't things like that have some sort of influence?

(It makes me wonder how I will figure this out...)

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