The Sirius Revolutionary Voice (Also known as The Mensheviks)

[sovereign]

Hold on- Australian sleeper ship?

We've got no evidence for that, and Disco canon holds that the Alliance launched only the Liberty, Bretonia, Kusari, Rheinland, and Hispania (with the Gallia leaving afterward). The remaining two in the Malta bartender rumor would be the two prototypes the Colonial Remnant had, provided that the rumor isn't full of garbage in the first place. There is nothing supporting the existence of other sleeper ships other than that one rumor, current disco count gets to that number -anyway-, and even if there were other ships we have no reason that it had to be an Aussie ship other than you writing it down right now.

Oh, and the guy above me is right. Karl Marx's writings were fairly concentrated on how inevitable it was that the workers would rise up and kill all the nobles. He didn't always stress that the aristocracy would be killed, but it was rather heavily implied. And violence was more than just an implication.


Nonetheless, the idea of a Coalition group centered around non-violent preaching would be... interesting. I'd like to see what the SCRA think of it- it's the first non-them Coalition idea that isn't completely off the wall.

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[Dieter Schprokets]

Talk to the SCRA mate.

You at least have some historical knowledge on your side.

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[Capt. Henry Morgan]

I'd take a cooperative approach with the SCRA, rather than a hostile one. The Coalition's Intelligence apparatus is well developed enough that any dissenters would've been rounded up and shot before they could even consider escaping.

I'd consider changing your history in such a way as you're a more political arm of the Coalition structure, that focuses on propaganda rather than violence. Such a thing is not out of the realm of possibility, and you're more likely to meet with the SCRA's approval that way, a must if you plan on doing anything with the Coalition history.

That having been said, you've got something good here, and I really look forward to seeing what becomes of it.

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Natio Octavarium
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[Barrier]

The idea sounds great, but I see an inRP problem. What you have to remember is that small groups are more likely to crumble into nothing without support, since they are.. well... small. InRP, the Mensheviks would most likely join a a large group / corporation, or something along those lines, in order to gain funds for their operations and have more influence altogether.

Just something to think about.

[Tomtomrawr]

I generally like the idea of a not-so-military coalition force...
More depth is good, and more propaganda!

I'm hoping to extend the story soon with more depth.

Bolshevists were the ones who wanted to change everything as fast as possible. Thinked that armed revoliution is the only soliution.

While Mensheviks were the ones who thinked that capitalism must be changed to communism slowly step-by-step in the way of reforms not armed revoliution.

(well we see the results, and what failed the world. You can jump trought evolution, you need to pass it step by step)

Now marxists. Sorry but Marx was the one who encoureged Bloshvism. I mean, he said that there must be revolution of the prolitariat by force. Not slow reforms. He was the one of force law theory supporters.

What I've learned of Marxism is that the workers and peasants must be slowly educated into communism. Then when they are ready must rise up against the bourgeoisie (owners) and create a new communist state. What the SD believed before Vladimir Lenin stepped in and gave his new views after writing his book.

I have learned that the Bolsheviks followed Leninism whilst the Mensheviks followed Marxism. I don't think a small group siezing power and teaching the population in communism later was his idea.

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[Tomtomrawr]

Hold on- Australian sleeper ship?

We've got no evidence for that, and Disco canon holds that the Alliance launched only the Liberty, Bretonia, Kusari, Rheinland, and Hispania (with the Gallia leaving afterward). The remaining two in the Malta bartender rumor would be the two prototypes the Colonial Remnant had, provided that the rumor isn't full of garbage in the first place. There is nothing supporting the existence of other sleeper ships other than that one rumor, current disco count gets to that number -anyway-, and even if there were other ships we have no reason that it had to be an Aussie ship other than you writing it down right now.

Oh, and the guy above me is right. Karl Marx's writings were fairly concentrated on how inevitable it was that the workers would rise up and kill all the nobles. He didn't always stress that the aristocracy would be killed, but it was rather heavily implied. And violence was more than just an implication.
Nonetheless, the idea of a Coalition group centered around non-violent preaching would be... interesting. I'd like to see what the SCRA think of it- it's the first non-them Coalition idea that isn't completely off the wall.

I heard that there were eight sleeper ships: Liberty, Rheinland, Kusari, Bretonia, Hispania, Gallia, and two others. Australian and Italian. I can't remember when I heard that, but I believe it because it makes sense. Australia would definately make sense as being part of the Alliance and having their own Sleeper ship. Italy I'm not so sure about, but it still makes sense.

I heard the idea a while ago, and I haven't heard any other ideas about other Sleeper ships. If I'm wrong, can you fill me in on the stories of the other Sleeper ships so I can edit the story?

Talk to the SCRA mate.

You at least have some historical knowledge on your side.

I sent Koolmo the story in a private message and tried to contact Bluntpencil on Skype telling him I had an idea, but neither of them replied. I find it obvious that neither of them like me, my history of applying for the SCRA is obvious. I believe they hate me because of who I used to be (Will tell the community all about it as my 2,000 post special thread).

I'd take a cooperative approach with the SCRA, rather than a hostile one. The Coalition's Intelligence apparatus is well developed enough that any dissenters would've been rounded up and shot before they could even consider escaping.

I'd consider changing your history in such a way as you're a more political arm of the Coalition structure, that focuses on propaganda rather than violence. Such a thing is not out of the realm of possibility, and you're more likely to meet with the SCRA's approval that way, a must if you plan on doing anything with the Coalition history.

That having been said, you've got something good here, and I really look forward to seeing what becomes of it.

Unfortunately that would not be possible. In history the Mensheviks were deemed illegal by the Bolsheviks and many were exiled/killed. Most actually joined the Bolsheviks to survive. This faction sees the SCRA as the Bolsheviks, their beliefs in achieving the common goal are completely different and unacceptable to this faction in role-play.

This faction is staying completely underground, unlike the SCRA they wouldn't be announcing themselves in-system. Instead they would be using local chat, putting forward their ideas in casual conversation instead of just outright announcing 'We are communists!' Recruiting descreetly instead of outright.

The idea sounds great, but I see an inRP problem. What you have to remember is that small groups are more likely to crumble into nothing without support, since they are.. well... small. InRP, the Mensheviks would most likely join a a large group / corporation, or something along those lines, in order to gain funds for their operations and have more influence altogether.

Just something to think about.

That is a possibility. At the moment I am role-playing they have little funds - 20 or 30 million credits in the entire organisation. But eventually their funds will get dangerously low and they will have to find a faction that needs their help in exchange for funding.

It would have to be totally secret to avoid suspicion, and it would have to be a faction that basicly believes in communism being the future. The only faction I can think of at the moment is the Bundschuh.


I am planning to have a constant tally of purchases, so when we reach the "critical" point in funds the faction leaders head out into the galaxy looking for allies - or at least people who can fund their organisation.

A limit of 400,000 credits used for each member - that's including future resupplies. If later the faction get allies or people who fund them then each member can have a raise on their "allowance". But most ships used would be the cheapest yet most agile fighters around. I am hoping to keep my current character - the leader of the organisation for the time being - in a starflier.

But this is a list of ships we would be able to afford and be able to fly inRP, but some are pushing to the absolute maximum of the allowance:
(These stats have been taken from the Wiki)

• Name - Weapons - Cargo - Hull - NB/SB - Price - Notes
  
• Starflier - 3/0 - 20 - 1,100 - 10 - $12,400 - Civilian; starting ship
  
• Startracker - 3/0 - 30 - 1,800 - 15 - $35,020 - Civilian
  
• Civilian Shuttle - 4/0 - 35 - 1,900 - 17 - $45,420 - Civilian
  
• Basalt - 4/1 - 30 - 2,600 - 18 - $72,160 - Civilian LF with a torpedo mount
  
• Starblazer - 4/0 - 35 - 3,100 - 35 - $179,770 - Civilian
  
• Hawk - 4/0 - 45 - 3,300 - 26 - $196,370 - Civilian
  

There would be Freighters, but no Civilian ones are in the budget. Basicly only MkI Civilian Light Fighters are available to us.

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[Capt. Henry Morgan]

I'm hoping to extend the story soon with more depth.
What I've learned of Marxism is that the workers and peasants must be slowly educated into communism. Then when they are ready must rise up against the bourgeoisie (owners) and create a new communist state. What the SD believed before Vladimir Lenin stepped in and gave his new views after writing his book.

I have learned that the Bolsheviks followed Leninism whilst the Mensheviks followed Marxism. I don't think a small group siezing power and teaching the population in communism later was his idea.

I don't think Marx so much as encouraged or wanted a violent revolution, as he just saw it as unavoidable. He also predicted that a Communist revolution in Russia was doomed to eventual failure, as Russia wasn't developed far enough to be ready for the move into Communism. Turns out, he was dead on.

As an interesting footnote, of all the countries in the world at the time of the writing of the Communist Manifesto, he believed that only Britain or the US were advanced far enough for Communism to truly succeed.

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[Tomtomrawr]

I don't think Marx so much as encouraged or wanted a violent revolution, as he just saw it as unavoidable. He also predicted that a Communist revolution in Russia was doomed to eventual failure, as Russia wasn't developed far enough to be ready for the move into Communism. Turns out, he was dead on.

I briefly covered Marxism in school, that's good to know. I could add a part at the end of the story: 'Karl Marx did not believe our ancestors country was advanced enough for a revolution to succeed. We have advanced - both technologically and spiritually - greatly in the last thousand years. Perhaps now our revolution will work.'

As an interesting footnote, of all the countries in the world at the time of the writing of the Communist Manifesto, he believed that only Britain or the US were advanced far enough for Communism to truly succeed.

I didn't know that either, that is an interesting point. Thanks for the facts Henry, it's expanded my knowledge of the Communist Manifesto and will hopefully add to this faction. I also love interesting facts.:)


Now that I am home, I am today going to make a character and try out my current idea on how to use this idea. My idea is to use local chat on single people or small groups. I won't outright say 'I am a Marxist, want to join us?' I'll ask a question (maybe to a trader or a pirate) and put forward the idea that there is a better system in which they would have better conditions. My character will say that he has only heard of the group, not that he is a member. That way if the person is a strong capitalist they won't kill me. If they role-play they are interested in the idea of communism, I will discuss it with them more and tell them my character is a member.

I will also be in a Starflier, just to prove the point we are on a budget. No armour, and just weapons, a shield, a thruster bought on the Barrier whilst I'm getting my FL ID. The weapons are needed incase of NPC attack, and I'll make sure I stay in budget.

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[Tomtomrawr]

Well, I tried it out, and I actually tried it out with "The.Joker". He was with one of his goons, and I was glad to test the role-play with an adnormal personality. I can say it was successful, I was able to pass on the message to him about Karl Marx, communism, and the Mensheviks returning to spread their message whilst saying my character had only heard it in passing.

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[17:45:39] Wolfs Ghost (Murphy): Tom, you have problems. Go kill yourself.
[19:25:12] Johnny (Jam): Tomtom, I will beat you with a spoon.
[14:22:56] Prarabdh Thakur: KILL HIM WITH A SHEEP.
[17:40:48] Eagle (Junes): Tom should be slapped with a spoon.
[11:32:18] Warspite: Thank you for being so awesome Tom. <3
[18:17:36] Metano: I love you tomtom
[20:06:24] Warspite: I will seriously give you epic head.

Edit: also, Tomtomrawr, fappin' like a boss.

[sovereign]

K, about the sleeper ships:

The Alliance, knowing that they were doomed to lose to the Coalition, built five sleeper ships to continue humanity elsewhere. These were the Liberty, Bretonia, Kusari, Rheinland, and Hispania. The French were pissed that they didn't get a sleeper ship (in no small part because their navy had just been crushed), and constructed the Gallia in secret. The Five were launched, with the Gallia following them shortly thereafter. Not long after the Gallia left Sol, a breed of Nomads (not necessarily Sirius Nomads) arrived and destroyed the entire star system. I don't remember exactly where the two Colonial Remnant sleeper ships fit in, but they were prototype ships sent before any of the others.

All vanilla lore except for one little piece indicates that there were only five sleeper ships (the four original houses plus the Hispania). This fits in with how the Colonial Remnant had not yet arrived, nor had Gallia revealed itself. The -only- thing that said there were more sleeper ships was one little rumor from the bartender on Malta. That one said that there were eight ships, and that three were damaged.

Think about that for a second. A bartender on Malta knows the events 800 years ago when the word "Coalition" didn't mean anything to 99% of everyone. In my discussions with Praetyre, we concluded that the chances of him not just pulling your leg in an effort to get you to buy drinks were very small. Even if there -were- eight sleeper ships (which there now are) he would have no way of knowing about them that would not be indicated outside his one little rumor.

I'd also like to point out that the Coalition at large did not know about the Sleeper Ships in time to do much. Their field agents managed to infiltrate them, but a large-scale infiltration would be out of the question. A few Menshevik-leaning spies might have gotten on the ships (or replaced people scheduled to be on them- remember, everyone had a cryo-tube, it wasn't like a refugee boat or anything), but not many. Plus, they would only have been able to infiltrate the main five or possibly the Gallia- the other two may have left before the Coalition-Alliance war (check the CR lore). If they did infiltrate the Gallia, that would certainly explain why they're just appearing now- they would have hung out with Council until the way was cleared, at which point they would attempt to rejoin with the SCRA (who ever so conveniently sent an envoy to Council just a few weeks ago) and the remaining Coalition forces in Sirius.

Keep working at it, and feel free to ask questions. I do wonder what the SCRA think of this, though...

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