Forgot how to enjoy Skyrim ?

[Agmen of Eladesor]

Does it say bad things about me that I just NOW got around to doing the Dark Brotherhood - and that I'm suddenly having WAY too much fun, running around killing people, up to and including the Emperor?

Which of course brings up one minor issue and/or bug - I already finished the Civil War, on the side of the Stormcloaks. What the hell is the IMPERIAL Emperor still doing sitting just outside Solitude?

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[Hielor]

Does it say bad things about me that I just NOW got around to doing the Dark Brotherhood - and that I'm suddenly having WAY too much fun, running around killing people, up to and including the Emperor?

Which of course brings up one minor issue and/or bug - I already finished the Civil War, on the side of the Stormcloaks. What the hell is the IMPERIAL Emperor still doing sitting just outside Solitude?

Yeah, I didn't think the Dark Brotherhood questline dovetailed very well with the stormcloak revolution one. Seems to me that they could've given you an alternate quest in that case.

I did the Emperor before the revolution, and it's mildly annoying that no one at all mentions the fact that he's dead.

[Cosmos]

Hmm i've had the same char since i got the same, made others but primarily i like to play on my assasin.

using Dual daggers with all the buffed perks and sneaking, I can 1 hit kill mostly anything.

also with my archery at full capacity marksmanship is easy.

Sneaking is great;)

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[Hielor]

Hmm i've had the same char since i got the same, made others but primarily i like to play on my assasin.

using Dual daggers with all the buffed perks and sneaking, I can 1 hit kill mostly anything.

also with my archery at full capacity marksmanship is easy.

Sneaking is great;)

Pro tip: Daggers don't benefit from +one-handed enchants. If your gear is fully enchanted with that, swords are better--more sneak attack damage and way more normal damage.

[Corsair]

Pro tip: Daggers don't benefit from +one-handed enchants. If your gear is fully enchanted with that, swords are better--more sneak attack damage and way more normal damage.

Yes, but the Assassin trait makes you do 600% damage with daggers.

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[Hielor]

Yes, but the Assassin trait makes you do 600% damage with daggers.

Wait what?

If you mean the Assassin's Blade perk, that's 15x damage on sneak attacks, yes--but swords do more base damage and if you have a decent amount of +one-handed gear, 6x with swords is more damage than 15x with daggers--think about it.

[Agmen of Eladesor]

Wait what?

If you mean the Assassin's Blade perk, that's 15x damage on sneak attacks, yes--but swords do more base damage and if you have a decent amount of +one-handed gear, 6x with swords is more damage than 15x with daggers--think about it.

With the Assassins Blade perk and the Shrouded Gloves, you get a x30 damage multiplier with daggers, or x6 with swords. Then throw in a full Armsman Perk which doubles things, and you're at x60 with daggers, x12 with swords.

However, other basic enchantments don't multiply.

Just to see how the numbers vary, I just ran through my level 79 female Breton who has full Armsman as well as Assassins Blade, AND also carries and equips some special enchanted gear - Ring of Combat (enhance one handed / archery 40%), Necklace of Combat (dittos), Dragonscale Gloves (dittos), Dragonscale helm (enhance archery 40%)

Regardless of how she's dressed, whether in her underwear or fully decked out, her ebony dagger does 60 points of damage. Base damage with her Daedric Sword is 69, but fully decked out with enchanted items, the sword does 152. Base damage with her Daedric bow equipped with Ebony arrows is 96, but fully decked out with enchanted items is 218. (That doesn't count the enchantment on the bow itself, which is 37 points of shock and 30 points of fire - for up to 285 points.)

So a sneak attack for 3x damage with her bow can do 654 points of damage.
A sneak attack with her sword doing 6x with the sword does 912, if she has Shrouded Gloves on it does 1824.
Sneak attack with a dagger does 900 (x15), 1800 (x30), or 3600 (x60).

However - that's only good if it's a sneak attack. As the dagger doesn't have the reach of a sword, if she's spotted, she's still only going to do 60 points versus doing 152.

That's the main reason I like sitting off and shooting arrows. An ancient dragon has a health of 3071. Oh, look, I see an ancient dragon, sitting over there. Go into sneak mode, and also quaff a handy potion of enhance marksmanship (+108% damage). Suddenly I'm doing, with a SINGLE arrow, about 1,400 points of damage.

So, yeah, fully geared up a sword can barely do more than a dagger on a basic sneak attack, but if you're super sneaky, the basic dagger does double the damage of a sword. The only problem, of course, is that if you suddenly find yourself in melee combat, the reach of the dagger is a LOT less, and the damage suddenly drops down to where the sword is now doing x2.5 the damage per swing.

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[Hielor]

With the Assassins Blade perk and the Shrouded Gloves, you get a x30 damage multiplier with daggers, or x12 with swords. <strike>Then throw in a full Armsman Perk which doubles things, and you're at x60 with daggers, x12 with swords.</strike>

However, other basic enchantments don't multiply.

Just to see how the numbers vary, I just ran through my level 79 female Breton who has full Armsman as well as Assassins Blade, AND also carries and equips some special enchanted gear - Ring of Combat (enhance one handed / archery 40%), Necklace of Combat (dittos), Dragonscale Gloves (dittos), Dragonscale helm (enhance archery 40%)

Regardless of how she's dressed, whether in her underwear or fully decked out, her ebony dagger does 60 points of damage. Base damage with her Daedric Sword is 69, but fully decked out with enchanted items, the sword does 152. Base damage with her Daedric bow equipped with Ebony arrows is 96, but fully decked out with enchanted items is 218. (That doesn't count the enchantment on the bow itself, which is 37 points of shock and 30 points of fire - for up to 285 points.)

So a sneak attack for 3x damage with her bow can do 654 points of damage.
A sneak attack with her sword doing 6x with the sword does 912, if she has Shrouded Gloves on it does 1824.
Sneak attack with a dagger does 900 (x15), 1800 (x30)<strike>, or 3600 (x60)</strike>.

However - that's only good if it's a sneak attack. As the dagger doesn't have the reach of a sword, if she's spotted, she's still only going to do 60 points versus doing 152.

That's the main reason I like sitting off and shooting arrows. An ancient dragon has a health of 3071. Oh, look, I see an ancient dragon, sitting over there. Go into sneak mode, and also quaff a handy potion of enhance marksmanship (+108% damage). Suddenly I'm doing, with a SINGLE arrow, about 1,400 points of damage.

So, yeah, fully geared up a sword can barely do more than a dagger on a basic sneak attack, but if you're super sneaky, the basic dagger does double the damage of a sword. The only problem, of course, is that if you suddenly find yourself in melee combat, the reach of the dagger is a LOT less, and the damage suddenly drops down to where the sword is now doing x2.5 the damage per swing.

FTFY

Armsman doesn't just affect sneak attacks--it affects everything, so it *should* show up in the base damage of the weapon, and shouldn't be included when calculating sneak attack damage. Shrouded gloves also affect swords, so it's 12x damage with swords, 30x with daggers. No 60x, sorry:P

Since 30 = 12 * 2.5, if you have more than 150% bonus one-handed from gear, swords will out-damage daggers on all sneak attacks, in addition to the fact that they always do more damage on non-sneak attacks.

Bows are definitely cooler, though:)

[BaconSoda]

Guys, why are you trying to tell people how to play a single player game?

Just play the game the way you have fun playing it. There's no reason to force people into breaking the thing.

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[Agmen of Eladesor]

Guys, why are you trying to tell people how to play a single player game?

Just play the game the way you have fun playing it. There's no reason to force people into breaking the thing.

Just pointing out some things that people might not see on their own. The title of this whole thread is, after all, 'Forgot how to enjoy Skyrim?".

And I see what you're saying, Hielor - the doubling of the from the Armsman perk is already taken into account in the damage. So I would see 15x60=900 from her dagger, and 152x6=912 with her sword.

Either way, it's still more satisfying to shoot people full of arrows.

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