While I think Grimly established pretty well why you commit the actions of piracy ingame, the reasoning provided by Ivan should still be taken into account. You should still be patriots on some level, and if people are trying to be your friends then you should treat them as such... rather than seeing "transport = money" like a "simple pirate" would. I remember when you started a little shipping event, and having run out of clientele I was at first interested. However, having some experience with supplying the Corsairs (experiences due to the common misconception that Corsair = pirate and nothing more) I asked if you would be pirating people who were in the process of shipping for you.
If I'm not mistaken, the answer was "yes, we pirate everyone".
I had hoped that this was me misunderstanding the reply given to me. Then a few weeks later I heard Baconsoda complaining about how the Sails had pirated him of gold he was taking to Crete, despite his assurances, references to times the Sails had escorted him on such voyages, and the fact that he's probably shipped as many or more artifacts as I have slaves (and I could found a reasonably sized city at this point). When he mentioned it in a comm channel, the response looked a lot like "well we can't be arsed to care" even when his references showed and tried to explain. References from within the Sails. Granted, I heard about that secondhand- but I thought I should mention it.
Mm.
Is it just me, or does that looks like simply piracy rather than "taking what's yours"?
How dedicated are you to the reasons you've provided for piracy (which I find quite valid, by the way)? Is it a hand-wave for why you pirate on the server, or is it something you intend to hold to the core of what you do?
Any answer is acceptable, but I do want a straight answer. Were those past events slips that you intend to correct, or is "pirate everything" your modus operandi?
We are enforcing supplies to Corsair bases, but we have no prophets here to know the point of cargo destination. If you heading to Corsair base then you should tell that by yourself.
' Wrote:While I think Grimly established pretty well why you commit the actions of piracy ingame, the reasoning provided by Ivan should still be taken into account. You should still be patriots on some level, and if people are trying to be your friends then you should treat them as such... rather than seeing "transport = money" like a "simple pirate" would. I remember when you started a little shipping event, and having run out of clientele I was at first interested. However, having some experience with supplying the Corsairs (experiences due to the common misconception that Corsair = pirate and nothing more) I asked if you would be pirating people who were in the process of shipping for you.
If I'm not mistaken, the answer was "yes, we pirate everyone".
I had hoped that this was me misunderstanding the reply given to me. Then a few weeks later I heard Baconsoda complaining about how the Sails had pirated him of gold he was taking to Crete, despite his assurances, references to times the Sails had escorted him on such voyages, and the fact that he's probably shipped as many or more artifacts as I have slaves (and I could found a reasonably sized city at this point). When he mentioned it in a comm channel, the response looked a lot like "well we can't be arsed to care" even when his references showed and tried to explain. References from within the Sails. Granted, I heard about that secondhand- but I thought I should mention it.
Mm.
Is it just me, or does that looks like simply piracy rather than "taking what's yours"?
How dedicated are you to the reasons you've provided for piracy (which I find quite valid, by the way)? Is it a hand-wave for why you pirate on the server, or is it something you intend to hold to the core of what you do?
Any answer is acceptable, but I do want a straight answer. Were those past events slips that you intend to correct, or is "pirate everything" your modus operandi?
For that event you are talking about. You had in fact to read between the lines.
I mean here that if you run a blood diamond run just after supplying our bases, you will surely not survive if we catch you.
Respects were to be expected from participants. I'll also had you didn't displayed not even your character name, that's a bad start if you look for a respectful answer. We will not answer nicely to an anonymous call, it could be a bretonian spy looking for our informations, don't forget we broadcast this message.
How dedicated are we to our goals ? Well, first, the game and community mechanics don't let us stay in Sigmas 24h/7d. We just go where the people is. So in that way, we cannot stay on Sigma convoys as much as we are supposed to be, but we sometimes get in the Omegas.
Then, how hard are we trying to reach this goal. It's up to the traders to give you that information. I personally have only one corsair trader and I never get pirated due to the heavy lack of mollies / red hessians.
The Junker Congress looks like leaving additional goods to Crete by our only treats of destruction. Their only hope to survive our wing being to get covered by the corsair laws. It's a weird but efficient way to make the Corsair nation progress.
The OSC recently got granted a full safety in our space (except Omicron Gamma) while we got back the landing rights, a strategic place to support the Artifacts and Human organs black market.
We even try to open strategic ways for our main forces to the Rheinland at the same time we try to open an other economic way for our artifacts. We need the Rheinland for their planet's food productivity. Having a 4th way for a military invasion makes it better. The RM vs Sails fights should follow soon enough, all will depends of the Alster Union.
The past few actions against Dublin miners are not representing our goal but are more "lets have fun doing something else" than anything else. We're all here to have fun, never forget that.
We were granted a seat in the Corsair council. I hold this seat because even if I'm not playing most of time, I stay contactable most of the time unlike Vilkas he has currently a lot of work by his exams and Karolis I just can't let him hold a diplomacy seat:)(Sorry Kar, but you got the temper of hell).
Now what does it mean ? We are implicated into the Corsair nation government. Major decisions are taken here and we have actually our voice.
That's nothing for some, but it's like in the politics, you don't really see your governor/president/<insert the title of the politic leader of your state> while he think about the decisions he has to make. From my personal point of view, I'm just a student, the politics does nothing but talking each other for nothing and once a month says from a lightning of genius we have to follow a new law. Nevertheless, the effects are here. The laws and decisions taken affects everyone.
Now you're right, in the practice of our activity, it may be "traders = money". I won't deny that fact. But if we don't look at that, how will we demonstrate our activity, our forces to make a trader react and change his routes for the routes we wish they run ? I gave multiple times few routes they works really fine and could even give as much credits as any other routes. In addition (because it's time to advertise them), I remind that no pirates are on the corsair routes (Where are the mollies/blood dragons/red hessians ?).
Baconsoda ... well, he tried to push us out from Kusari while his char wasn't even supposed to know about anything. Thanks to meta-gaming.
In addition, don't take his gold hauler getting destroyed as something against us because the said corsairs they hit him are NOT in this group, I would know it if it was the case. This case was dealt with, kinda hardly since we had to make him display his identification (anonymous RP comms fails with us)
For the Cryers now. (Because I had few PMs about it)
Why is it Neutral :
The Cryer Pharmaceutical are known as researchers trying to find a cure to the cardamine which one the corsairs will be the first buyers. But that only condition would make them friendly and they're not.
The Cryer Pharmaceutical also hardly grant docking rights. We are still "hostile pirates" unless they find something to work on. We also had few encounters with few of them they refused and even tried to run from us while we ask them to make their goods head to our bases ; food to Crete, pharma to Leon and such redirection still attractive on credits for the players, we are not evils that much.
The fact we have interest in their researches in the only reason we do not consider them hostile. A cryer convoy may be redirected politely if they are moving interesting goods not to our bases, a Cryer fighter wing will not be injured in any case, given the fact we don't have to come to a self-defense. I hope it answer some questions.
EDIT : No I don't realize I wrote a wall of text. It may not come that much from me;)
Corsairs leave Atka alone more because Gamma gets its pharmaceuticals from there (via Zoners).
and Cryer don't treat Corsairs as pirates because we're all alone in Sigma 17 and they could wipe us out if they wanted. Like Bakamono said, sit outside Atka and watch the NPCs. Zoners, BH and Corsair NPCs all come to atka. BH and Corsairs will fight each other and neither will dock, but if they come on their own then they chat to the station and say where they are going. When BH and Sairs fight, Cryer NPCs just watch, and sair NPCs don't pirate the cryer trains.
I guess that's all I've been working off, I've never really talked to sairs about the cardie-cure thing in game or whatever so I don't know how that all is.
So, I was right that I was missing something there- had I come into your space bringing the supplies requested after making my name known, you would not, in fact, have pirated me. I suppose I wasn't expecting subtlety from Corsairs- my mistake. That's good to hear.
You mentioned with Cryer and other traders that you suggest destinations for certain useful goods to go to the Corsairs- is this instead of pirating them, or after you've done so? Basically, if I was wandering through the Omegas with engine components, and you found me, and I was cooperative about shipping to the Corsairs, what would happen then and on later occasions provided I didn't do anything to make you angry with me?
So, I was right that I was missing something there- had I come into your space bringing the supplies requested after making my name known, you would not, in fact, have pirated me. I suppose I wasn't expecting subtlety from Corsairs- my mistake. That's good to hear.
For example. Yesterday (on day time I still find a minute to play the game) I got a slave runner to malta at sigma 19. Buti nstead of taking him out and destroying junkers cargo. I simply redirected him to Etna in rp the bodies should be used for organs. Well didn't wanted to harm the junker to much so RP'ed that we will take slaves from freeport, if zoners will ask act like you delivered prisoners from skiros and bla bla... well He sold slaves, and later went to Etna to pick up Organs.
I think this is good enought? you see? and I didn't needed to blow up his cargo neither him.
If only trader agrees to co-operate or nagionate in more than "I want to pay less" your welcome. Well of course don't expect much from newer recruits, they are still learning, but more expierenced peeps will gladly rp with you about re-directing cargo destination.
Oh and more. At the given moment we are looking for a bowex transport or perhaps RepEx (since they could use something to boost up activity of the faction) one who would be willing to participate in little event. Alltought can't say much becouse we would like try out improvisation in which actually trader corporation or we could win, depending on how events would turn... but for that we need to meet one of those transports in game. Echh.. hopefuly we will.
' Wrote:You mentioned with Cryer and other traders that you suggest destinations for certain useful goods to go to the Corsairs- is this instead of pirating them, or after you've done so? Basically, if I was wandering through the Omegas with engine components, and you found me, and I was cooperative about shipping to the Corsairs, what would happen then and on later occasions provided I didn't do anything to make you angry with me?
We won't ask for credits/cargo if we change someone's route. That's enough time lost and our goal is reached.
Problem with Cryer is that no zoners actually transport pharma to us. Sadly that's the fact there, and I'm sure that if there was one zoner that actually did it, Corsairs would have better vision with Cryer.
Why don't you guys from cryer decide to approach Corsairs under the table and actually ship the thing yourself, or allow Corsairs to ship out the synthetic weed and pharmaceuticals in exchange for.. no idea what. you think of something.
All I know is that if you want something from Corsairs, you should offer something back.
I just hope Sails will take my advice about military vehicles and simply not allow those passing trough Omegas.
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