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Tenacity · 02-19-2010, 06:16 PM,

Quote:First off Tenna, Northern Leeds is controlled by the Kusari. Second, the Kusari semi-lawfuls are just working by the same rules as the Bretonian semi-lawfuls I guess.

Guess that depends on which way you view north =P
You get my point though.

And, pardon, but I cant remember the last time I saw a bretonian privateer in honshu, or even new tokyo.

Quote:I think I'm going to actually agree partially with each of you. For Cambridge at least, the Hogosha don't have any allies operating from there, so it seems a bit of a stretch. However, NL, Edinburgh, Manchester, Leeds, and Dublin seem well into a operational stretch.

And what allies might they have in those systems? The junkers sure as hell arent going to let hogs use their bases, the only other unlawful group around new london is the mollies, and I'm fair sure that they dont have much love for kusari, or the hogosha in particular.

Dublin is about as far out of the hogosha ZOI as you can get. Manchester is sketchy, since you really have to go through a bit of hostile space to get there. I can see newcastle or edinburgh, as both have gaian bases, but the other systems of bretonia should not have hogosha poking around.

Quote:I absolutly agree with that from a gameplay standpoint, I would go as far as to say that New London would be hard to operate in as well. From an rp perspective, the Corsairs have Cadiz in O-5 to work from.

And to get to cadiz, you have to pass through a handful of systems classified as hostile territory, where you have no friends to help you out, and no friendly bases to dock at. That's about as bad as corsairs going through new york so they can hang out in kusari.

Quote:Dublin also holds a lot of interest, due to Samura and Kishiro activity.

That's a joke if I've ever heard one. Please, tell me you're joking? I cant find any RP justification for a -transport-, much less a mining ship, travelling through an entire house worth of hostiles so that they can mine gold in some backwater system, a system which has no friendlies whatsoever.

I've never liked the fact that Ivan keeps taking his Kishiro down there to try and mine gold to bring back to kusari, just seems completely out of character to me.

Quote:I guess all I have to point to here in terms of ZOI is the contradiction between what some people see as an unacceptable ZOI for the Hogosha, while those same people support as acceptable a similar ZOI in hostile space for the QCP.

I've got the same view on the QCP. They shouldnt be operating past Kyushu, and even working there is a big stretch, due to having to pass all of the Kusari forces throughout the taus just to get there.

Quote:I'd have to ask whether or not Hogosha's main purpose is as their name suggests "guardians" or "protectors" of Kusari and its people. Not attackers supporting an invasion. They'd be back home fighting the QCP and generally keeping Kusarians safe, I imagine. There interests would primarily be back home in Kusari, with smuggling and the unawful groups. I don't really see them bridging the Taus much, if at all - they're mainly Sigma-based, what with the artifact trade.

Agreed.

AJBeast · 02-19-2010, 06:24 PM,

' Wrote:I'd have to ask whether or not Hogosha's main purpose is as their name suggests "guardians" or "protectors" of Kusari and its people. Not attackers supporting an invasion. They'd be back home fighting the QCP and generally keeping Kusarians safe, I imagine. There interests would primarily be back home in Kusari, with smuggling and the unawful groups. I don't really see them bridging the Taus much, if at all - they're mainly Sigma-based, what with the artifact trade.

Speaking a bit from the exact opposite side of the fence, but it is quite clear to me why the Hogosha would be up in Bretonia. With the Bretonian lawful forces weakened by war this is a prime opportunity for them to conquer ground in the Bretonian black market from the Junkers.

I probably couldn't be further off, but I think that is it.

darthbeck · 02-26-2010, 06:13 AM,

What is your ZOI? I've been looking all over the forums and havent found anything.

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pipboy · (This post was last modified: 02-26-2010, 06:53 AM by pipboy.)

' Wrote:That's a joke if I've ever heard one. Please, tell me you're joking? I cant find any RP justification for a -transport-, much less a mining ship, travelling through an entire house worth of hostiles so that they can mine gold in some backwater system, a system which has no friendlies whatsoever.

I've never liked the fact that Ivan keeps taking his Kishiro down there to try and mine gold to bring back to kusari, just seems completely out of character to me.

The RP for Samura and Kishiro going into Dublin was written in by the devs with the mining mod. They are supposed to be doing it. Sorry, talk to Cannon and Dusty if it bothers you. Honestly it's not that far off from their closest base at Stokes. Sure it's dangerous, but with the profit to be made, it's well worth it.

' Wrote:Speaking a bit from the exact opposite side of the fence, but it is quite clear to me why the Hogosha would be up in Bretonia. With the Bretonian lawful forces weakened by war this is a prime opportunity for them to conquer ground in the Bretonian black market from the Junkers.

I probably couldn't be further off, but I think that is it.

And yes, that is exactly right AJ. The Hogosha are supposed to be using every opportunity they can to take over territory from the Junkers. Their goal is taking over the black market and the underworld all throughout Sirius, not just sitting in Kusari.

As you can see HERE, the Black Dragons joining the Sirius Crime Syndicate is a means to help achieve that very goal.

What is our ZOI? That's kind of a complicated question. For smuggling reasons it's anywhere we can smuggle and get away with it, all part of us trying to push out the Junkers. We also frequently go into Corsair territory for obvious reasons. For other purposes, as in what we would call our territory (with varying degrees of actual control):

Northern Leeds, Tau 29, Tau 31, Kyushu, New Tokyo, Honshu, Shikoku, Hokkaido, Kepler, Galileo, Okinawa, Sigma 13, Sigma 19, and Sigma 17.

You'll notice most of those systems are actually considered Kusari space by the KNF, with the exception of Okinawa where we have a base and Kepler/Galileo which are Kusari border systems that we are trying to get control over. Both Kepler and Galileo have had a large Junker presence in the past and we're trying to drive them out. Pretty successfully apparently as the Junkers don't go there to raid Samura and Kishiro convoys as much as they used to, in fact since we started showing up to oppose them they've almost stopped completely. Sigma 17 has a friendly base in planet Kurile where we can freely dock and operate from and Sigma 19 has the Luxury Liner Hawaii where both us and the Corsairs meet frequently for business deals. Sigma 13 is a hostile area for us with both Junkers and GMG in the area, but it a very good place for us to raid both of their operations and is very easy for us to get to as there are links to both Honshu and Sigma 17.

I would agree that Cambridge and Manchester are kind of pushing the limits. I personally never go there unless I'm smuggling and even then it's really rare. When smuggling I prefer to stick to border worlds as going into house space is dangerous. If one of us was there for a reason other than that and there was no good RP for it, as in they were just camping lanes to hit traders, then yes they probably shouldn't have been that far out. Even New London is hard to reach since the BAF have a lot of military forces in the Planet Leeds area, not impossible to get to, just difficult enough that we shouldn't risk it without proper backup and good reason. Remember too that the BDS do a lot of espionage for the Kusari government since they can go a lot of places others cant with their ties to the underworld. So in those cases, it's not unheard of for a BDS to be a little deeper in the BAF territory. Yes it's very dangerous, but we're paid well for information by the Emperor.

Sprolf · 02-26-2010, 06:51 AM,

I'd agree with your estimation of ZOI and activities above, for the record.
I was originally a bit put off by the appearance of BDS in Bretonia, but it made enough sense to make sense. (If that makes sense.) Leeds, it's half Kusarian. New London is the logical fringe except for very special cases.

And we won't get into a talk about Dublin here.

darthbeck · 02-26-2010, 05:51 PM,

I have no hard evidence to back this up, But if you are going to let your [|] tagged transports pirate miners in tau 23, at least dont F1 in the field first. please.

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pipboy · 02-26-2010, 06:32 PM,

' Wrote:I have no hard evidence to back this up, But if you are going to let your [|] tagged transports pirate miners in tau 23, at least dont F1 in the field first. please.

If you are referring to last night, there was a miner F1'ing out of game every time we would approach. We couldn't get close enough to get the message about his cloaking device. So we put 2 ships in his area and waited for him to enter game. As soon as we logged in he F1'd and by doing so we were close enough to catch proof of him doing it. A sanction report has been filed and that issue is over.

Exsiled_one · 02-26-2010, 06:50 PM,

The f1 thing can get only kudos from me.

miners tended to do the same every time i entered a system.
So i started treating them the same.

I AM GIVING AWAY MONEY TO CREATIVE MINDS*

darthbeck · 02-27-2010, 12:25 AM,

If said miner was a member of the IMG| faction, kindly send me the relevent screenshots.

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sovereign · 02-27-2010, 12:50 AM,

' Wrote:If said miner was a member of the IMG| faction, kindly send me the relevent screenshots.

He wasn't. Not tagged as such, anyway. Dun worry, if your folk do stuff like that we'll let you know.

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