LPI and their RP

[Sprolf]

See above.

Edit: Or behind.

Edit2: Or this:

Interestingly enough,
The LPI are corrupt cops at their very core.
The Mollies are angry miners fighting for freedom at their very core.

The LPI getting rid of slaves contradicts their core nature.
The Mollies fighting against the greater threats in hopes of securing freedom through alternate means that haven't been tried yet... that doesn't change their core nature.
So, er, that.

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[Zapp]

we fought the idea that the LPI as a whole was suddenly clean as a whistle within the space of a year.

Thank you, Dusty. "Clean as a whistle" was never said by us. I don't believe anyone in the LPI ever even thought that. We're saying corruption is being cracked down on and taken much more severely.

The LPI getting rid of slaves contradicts their core roleplay.

I'll ignore everything else in your post, because this, my friend, is, (to quote what I just said on skype), the most utter bull **** I have EVER seen.

WHERE. Point to me ONE INSTANCE where ANYTHING says that we sell slaves. PLEASE. I BEG YOU, HUMOR ME. Find the infocard. I will repent. The LPI will go back to being corrupt bastards out for nothing but an easy credit. We will be dirty, filthy cops. We will hold mud-wrestling tournaments and give you front row tickets to each match. We will ROLL in ill-gotten credits and laugh maniacally.

JUST SHOW ME ONE PLACE WHERE IT SAYS WE SELL SLAVES. I have failed to, in my entire 2.5 years in Disco and 2 years of leading the LPI, see an infocard where it said that.

We use criminals as labor in our prison stations to make dolls. We don't sell slaves.

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[tazuras]

Havent we had enough of this kind of thread today?

But on a more serious note, the BAF is not the mollies number one enemy, BMM is. And I dont think they particularly hate their country and want to see them lose a war against Kusari. I feel this is a bit off track though.

As for Order/LN, I do believe that was a while ago when things were much looser, not sure on that one though. Still not hitting the nail head on though.

A lot of us supported the moving slaves thing, myself included, so perhaps be a bit more selective in who you address this too. As for the corruption, people were used to seeing it, it had become a time honored standard. Personally, I dont care if you change it as long as it is consistent with cannon, which I believe is also what I said in the other post.

You're not being singled out. People dont like change and new ideas around here these days, at least not things that actually get implemented and affect them. I mean, I gather that's a big part of that big thread today was about. So, yeah, I appreciate your standing up for yourself and all that, but I dont really appreciate the attitude (which you can choose to care about or not). I just feel it is in line with the attitude of some of the people you're complaining about.

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[john kimble]

Interestingly enough,
The LPI are corrupt cops at their very core.
The Mollies are angry miners fighting for freedom at their very core.

The LPI getting rid of slaves contradicts their core nature.
The Mollies fighting against the greater threats in hopes of securing freedom through alternate means that haven't been tried yet... that doesn't change their core nature.
So, er, that.

Who says? You? You have no right to tell us what we are at our core. Even IF the LPI started out that way, it can change. Organizations change over time in real life, and they should be allowed to in a role-play environment. That's what the point of this thread is. Disco's GC has allowed room for change for many factions and on many topics, and there is no reason why the LPI should be an exception. The only thing keeping LPI corruption in canon is your insistence, and since you are not an LPI, your opinion is irrelevant.

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[MB52]

I said more words.

Updated.

Your introductory sentence I still protest however. Its meaning does not change with text behind it.

we fought the idea that the LPI as a whole was suddenly clean as a whistle within the space of a year.

Where have we said this? Nobody denies the LPI has some corruption in its ranks. Read some of our RP and you'll see that. You'll also see that after Chief Meyers became chief, we began working towards eliminating this corruption. As far as I know, nowhere is there mention that it is completely gone.

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I’ll carry this flag
To the grave if I must
Because it’s flag that I love
And a flag that I trust

[Zapp]

Also, this isn't mainly about slaves. As stated, this thread is about change. It has simply manifested itself in the issue of slaves on Sugarland in the most recent case, and branched into corruption.

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[Sprolf]

On the topic of slaves... moving from forced labour to the transfer of said forced labour would be a very small step.



On the topic of RP:

Liberty Police Incorporated.

Why are they not Liberty Police?
The answer, which I'm sure you know, will tell you everything you need to know about the LPI, corruption, and this, that, and the other thing.

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[Talbott]

Interestingly enough,
The LPI are corrupt cops at their very core.
The Mollies are angry miners fighting for freedom at their very core.

The LPI getting rid of slaves contradicts their core nature.
The Mollies fighting against the greater threats in hopes of securing freedom through alternate means that haven't been tried yet... that doesn't change their core nature.
So, er, that.

The LPI selling slaves is not vanilla canon and makes no sense within our RP. The LPI is interested in forced labor onboard our prison-factories, and inRP is always desperate for more labor to keep the lines running.

Now if the LPI is so desperate for more labor that its going after litterers and the homeless, why would it be selling off lots of workers 5,000 at a time?

Nobody is trying to say that the LPI is an organization that is lawful good or interested in justice. What I see the leadership as saying is this- We are the law in Liberty, and if we aren't going to be pure we are at least going to be professional. Bribery and personal corruption is unprofessional- its something that the public is going to see and it will hurt the reputation of the LPI and, incidentally, hurt our stock prices.

What you seem to be saying is this- No LPI, you are the Keystone cops! Now go smash some tail-lights and extort the traders you're supposed to be protecting!

I don't agree with that, and I'm going to continue to RP my LPI Officer in the grand tradition of the Texas Ranger- protecting the weak, hunting the guilty and hiding an extra fist in my beard.

But if you want us to be corrupt, we can play corrupt. It won't be pretty.

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[Dusty Lens]

There is absolutely nothing, in fact, to suggest that the LPI traffic in slaves.

Feel free to take a step back and review the fundamentals of the LPI and then apply a model of human trafficking.

- The LPI, at their core, are a for profit police force which maintains a production industry fed by a revolving door labor force composed of the lowest rungs of Liberty's economic class. Persons come in, do their time in social reclamation programs, perhaps working for social credit to pay for rent and basic services and so on.

They've been established as raiding tent cities, gathering vagrants and exploiting impoverished zones in order to keep the machinery turning.

Then they sell their workforce to Malta for a cheap buck.

LOL.

That's my perception of the idea of LPI slavery in a nutshell. You don't pull the cogs out of the machine to melt them down for their iron.

Rogues, misc gangs, etc would be the parties involved in coercing persons into positions of servitude through traditional means in order to profit from the fast turnaround involved in selling persons.

The LPI has an entirely separate market.

Now far be it from me to suggest that there aren't officers on the deck who're involved in such practices. Just as readily as they could be in any manner of nasty business. Life on Houston is likely like Blade Runner but without the noodles.

But it's certainly not how the "LPI" turns a buck. They might be considered slavers by virtue of an economic model which capitalizes upon and maintains an economic system, but they're not slavers in the form of taking people and selling them.

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[john kimble]

On the topic of slaves... moving from forced labour to the transfer of said forced labour would be a very small step.
On the topic of RP:

Liberty Police Incorporated.

Why are they not Liberty Police?
The answer, which I'm sure you know, will tell you everything you need to know about the LPI, corruption, and this, that, and the other thing.

The LPI became an INC. because of budget problems, if I remember. It had a perfectly sound and non-corrupt reason for it.

Your pretentious answer suggests to me that you have put very little thought into defending your reasons, and reaffirms what I was thinking earlier, which is to say, if you are not an LPI, your own personal conviction on the state of LPI corruption is moot.

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