I'm sorry, but the concept is flawed. It seems to be based off France, not Gallia. The difference between the two (one being France in the future in a game, the other being real) is too large for this to properly work. Read Dab's and my post for the why's.
Sorry for replying so late, I had some exams and RL stuff to do.
I've read your critics and will answer them in a friendly and discussional tone, like everyone should do.
Quote:First off; Foreigners from Sirius being allowed into this group.. No. That would be absolutely unacceptable to the King and the Gallic Royal Navy. I guarantee you, the King, Prince, and Princess (all of whom have players roleplaying them) would all take an axe to your neck if you allowed Sirians into your ranks.
Quote:Let me save you a lot of time contacting me. What Dab said is how I see it too. Foreigners from Sirius? In Gallia? Fighting for the crown? What, they hit you over the head with a club or something? Gallia -despises- any kind of foreigner. The Royal Navy forces Sirians in Gallia to get out or be gunned down, regardless of who or what they are. Having them serve in a Gallic army is not possible. No. Way. I don't care that some King in Earth's history decided foreigners are a good idea, this is Gallia in a game called Freelancer, not France.
Okay, I get your point. Sirians are not allowed under any circumstances into Gallia. As you both said the same, I'm going to comment on both of your statements and maybe we find a solution together.
If you say that foreigners in Gallia are a complete no-go, then how about they will be stationed out of Gallia, and not let into Gallia at any time. So they would only fight Sirians, which means themselves...Sirians fighting Sirians? If you ask me, such a King that hates Sirians so much, I even heard the word "xenophobic", would definately like that. Sure, they would still serve the Legion, but more like some kind of unpaid "mercs", the payment being food and a place to sleep, and as most of them are outcasts from Sirian society anyway, they would surely find that accepting in exchange for doing the work of killing people they don't like anyway...that would be a definition for a "Legionnaire" in FL what do you say?
Quote:Second; Using King Louis V's name isn't a good idea when someone is roleplaying as King Louis.. Get his consent to write what you say he did. To say he did something that Exile (the guy RPing as the King) never did would be powergaming, controlling someone else's character.
Quote:Secondly, the King. I'm not going to "share" the character or anything. The Gallic Royal Navy High Command uses the King. We make messages for the King to share with the public and then post them on the forums. If you want something done or said you can contact me once you're an official faction, but I won't guarantee anything will be posted or done.
I am not in any kind powergaming or using his character, this pure thing is NOT a faction proposal, it's an idea I really want to bring into this game. I never said anything about "sharing" either, if you are RPing Louis V then you will be the only one who will, and not me, or anyone else would ever RP him. That's why I just wrote it's an idea from me....and now I want to hear your idea about what Louis V would do in this certain situation, if he would even call the Legion back up after 100 years of absence, if he would even think of the idea of calling it up...etc. We are here to discuss and share ideas and finally find a proper agreement so this faction can fit perfectly into the RP of everbody here.
Quote:Third; The numerous references to yourselves being aces and the top-of-the-top of the Navy.. A mention here or there about being very skillful and/or well-trained is fine, but the number of times you remark about it seems highly egotistical for a faction writeup. What have you done to proven yourselves the aces of the Gallic Royal Navy? Those things you don't say until your faction has done things to back them up.
We haven't done anything to prove that we are the aces, as I don't have enough of my members in-game to do that properly. But we will be numerously in game, soon, and we will start it properly. What I said about the Legion pilots being the aces was just my idea of how I imagine the Foreign Legion, and all these ideas, even everything I've written down is an idea and can be changed in order to make it acceptable for everyone.
Quote:Fourth; Having a Lord Mareschal rank, and having him answer only to the King... Sorry, that's already taken. The Navy as a whole has a single Grand Marshal, and that position is already filled by Lilith LaCroix, also RP'd as Exile. The Grand Marshal is the leader of the entire Navy. The leader of the Foreign Legion would be someone of a high, but not that high, rank. And he'd be answerable to the King -and- Grand Marshal.
Quote:Only answers to the king? Why on earth would the king bother with a bunch of foreigners lead by some commoner? You practically said it yourself. They're a bunch of rif raf playing war. Hell, they're Sirian rif-raf, all the more reason not to let them speak to the king. Hell, I don't think even the Grand Marshall wound want to work with them so long as you use Sirians.
A Lord Mareshal is not the same as a Grand Mareshal, and yes, if you all think this position is too high then I will make him answer to the Grand M. aswell.
Secondly, the Legion is not a "bunch of foreigners"...there are more Gallian soldiers then foreign soldiers, and we already talked about the foreigners. "Led by some Commoner?" The character I want to RP is not in any way a commoner, he is a noble, he is a direct descendant of a noble which makes him a noble aswell, that's why he even can be used as Lord Mareshal of the Legion. I have not finished his RP story yet, as I really really had no time for it, but I will, and every other member of this faction will do it for their characters aswell, as I really want to implement my idea, and that is only possbile through exceptional RP.
Quote:Sixth; "... King Louis V. felt more threatened than ever and saw the end of Gallia by Sirian forces coming near." This isn't fitting in at all with current Gallic lore, or with the current character of the King. The King and the Gallic Royal Navy are both supremely confident that they will be able to handle any threat from Sirius. If they were afraid Sirius could crush them so easily, they'd be focusing on defense, no offensive. Gallia's self-imposed isolation wasn't because of fear, but to make sure they were able to work in secret until ready, without the other houses knowing of them. Having the strongest military in Sirius, Gallia is far from 'fearful' of Sirius. Quite the opposite.
As Exile is RPing the King, he should decide that, as I already wrote a few paragraphs above. These are all my ideas and can be changed, if it suits better we could change it to "King Louis V. was so sure that he would crush Sirius into pieces that he sent elite soldiers under the command of a powerful leader to convince Sirian outcasts (by outcasts I do not mean the Maltese Outcasts, but all Sirians who don't like Sirius generally/have an own hatred towards Sirians, because they had a bad life/ etc, etc.) to fight the other Sirians, which would result in a complete domination of Gallia over Sirius if they really make Sirians fight Sirians (their own people)." And just the thought of it would boost the King's ego even more and would make him even surer that Gallia will conquer Sirius. This is again, an idea, and I would like to know what you think about it, Exile...
Quote:Seventh; Having any sort of nobility rank for the Foreign legion wouldn't make a whole lot of sense either. Nobility status is inherited, not earned. Who is a noble doesn't depend on military rank, and one can only go from commoner to noble status by the order of the King.
Those "nobility ranks" should be more like medals one gets if he succeds in accomplishing a very importnat and great task. I agree, those names (Duc, Chevalier,...) are not suitable as they are indeed noble ranks, I will change it soon.
I hope we can come to an agreement and I'm waiting for your responses.
@Mao: I edited the text and put in the "First in, last out" ideology of the Legion...
' Wrote:Sorry for replying so late, I had some exams and RL stuff to do.
I've read your critics and will answer them in a friendly and discussional tone, like everyone should do.
Okay, I get your point. Sirians are not allowed under any circumstances into Gallia. As you both said the same, I'm going to comment on both of your statements and maybe we find a solution together.
If you say that foreigners in Gallia are a complete no-go, then how about they will be stationed out of Gallia, and not let into Gallia at any time. So they would only fight Sirians, which means themselves...Sirians fighting Sirians? If you ask me, such a King that hates Sirians so much, I even heard the word "xenophobic", would definately like that. Sure, they would still serve the Legion, but more like some kind of unpaid "mercs", the payment being food and a place to sleep, and as most of them are outcasts from Sirian society anyway, they would surely find that accepting in exchange for doing the work of killing people they don't like anyway...that would be a definition for a "Legionnaire" in FL what do you say?
The only thing the Gallic Monarchy would want to do with any Sirian is probably to conquer them. It would work perhaps later on if Gallia ever invades another house since then you'd have prisoners, but even this is tricky. As it is now, the lawful side of Gallia wants nothing to do with Sirians ; except at gunpoint.
I am not in any kind powergaming or using his character, this pure thing is NOT a faction proposal, it's an idea I really want to bring into this game. I never said anything about "sharing" either, if you are RPing Louis V then you will be the only one who will, and not me, or anyone else would ever RP him. That's why I just wrote it's an idea from me....and now I want to hear your idea about what Louis V would do in this certain situation, if he would even call the Legion back up after 100 years of absence, if he would even think of the idea of calling it up...etc. We are here to discuss and share ideas and finally find a proper agreement so this faction can fit perfectly into the RP of everbody here.
His opinion would be : Huh, what, Sirians, fighting for me? I'd rather have a bunch of flying toothbrushes.
I'm sorry, but I do not see a King who has his own motives and plans have much use of Sirians. Except the pretty ones, they can shine his shoes. Maybe. In an extreme case. Also, keep in mind that it is you who wishes to see this faction work out. I personally won't lose any sleep over it not working out, so to speak.
We haven't done anything to prove that we are the aces, as I don't have enough of my members in-game to do that properly. But we will be numerously in game, soon, and we will start it properly. What I said about the Legion pilots being the aces was just my idea of how I imagine the Foreign Legion, and all these ideas, even everything I've written down is an idea and can be changed in order to make it acceptable for everyone.
The aces would be the actual Royal Navy, if you ask me. I assume that a Gallic Royal Navy Pilot/Knight would have received better training than random Sirian rif-raf. Nothing wrong with calling yourself aces, just don't be surprised when you -do- at one point bite the dust.
A Lord Mareshal is not the same as a Grand Mareshal, and yes, if you all think this position is too high then I will make him answer to the Grand M. aswell.
It's not so much the point of the legion answering to my character, but it's more or less that "scum"(which is what they effectively are) are not led by some one with an extremely high paycheck.
Secondly, the Legion is not a "bunch of foreigners"...there are more Gallian soldiers then foreign soldiers, and we already talked about the foreigners. There should be absolutely no foreigners. Which would effectively make it "La Legion Gauloise".
"Led by some Commoner?" The character I want to RP is not in any way a commoner, he is a noble, he is a direct descendant of a noble which makes him a noble aswell, that's why he even can be used as Lord Mareshal of the Legion. I have not finished his RP story yet, as I really really had no time for it, but I will, and every other member of this faction will do it for their characters aswell, as I really want to implement my idea, and that is only possbile through exceptional RP.
Do note that writing an RP story doesn't necessarily make it so anymore. This might have been so in .82, but now you'll need to recognition/support of Official factions before others will recognize you too. Not a rule or anything, it's just the way this seems to work out.
As Exile is RPing the King, he should decide that, as I already wrote a few paragraphs above. These are all my ideas and can be changed, if it suits better we could change it to "King Louis V. was so sure that he would crush Sirius into pieces that he sent elite soldiers under the command of a powerful leader to convince Sirian outcasts (by outcasts I do not mean the Maltese Outcasts, but all Sirians who don't like Sirius generally/have an own hatred towards Sirians, because they had a bad life/ etc, etc.) to fight the other Sirians, which would result in a complete domination of Gallia over Sirius if they really make Sirians fight Sirians (their own people)."
Grandscale-brainwashing? I think that more people will join with Gallia for the money or the "thrill" rather than them actually hating every other living thing. As said before, I do not see the King working with any form of Sirian except subjugating them.
And just the thought of it would boost the King's ego even more and would make him even surer that Gallia will conquer Sirius. This is again, an idea, and I would like to know what you think about it, Exile...
The King already has an ego larger than Dab's and mine combined. I don't think that the fact that he can turncoat rats would improve this much.
Those "nobility ranks" should be more like medals one gets if he succeds in accomplishing a very importnat and great task. I agree, those names (Duc, Chevalier,...) are not suitable as they are indeed noble ranks, I will change it soon.
Nobility? Gallic people and nobility, sure. Sirians and nobility? Not a chance.
just one question and maybe it does not belong here but hell did you ever think about the word ,,power" and its meaning, and its effect on you(yeah the corrupting thing what seems to win already over ya)?
seriously: Exile is a good roleplayer this is a fact. He posted a lot. It is a fact aswell. I even can say that the quality of his work and posts is somthing what I can call significant. PLus I can imagine he is a good and valuable lad but c'mon, be serious and check the ,,power,, piece of the puzzle.
They're usin gallia as a private(*cough*pvpnbstestermoneystorer*cough*) ground, play all important characters with the same players (and in most cases ith the wery same RP, no matter it-the char- belongs to the GRN the MAquis or any other faction what the wery same few players want to fom in gallia) f.e.: Ex as king, owermarshall blablabla. You keep saying that it is similar in Kusari and other places, but oyu forget that thsoeo ther places are not closed by that RP. So multifactioning COULD be an OK, but not when it is used to choke every single sifde what tries to build somthing new, or somthing different. OFc in the case of the Legion you are completely righteous. Qumboya.
And you say powergaming is when you try to controll someone else's character? I must say if you keep all positions in the same hands (or give out only a few for yar pals) is not the definition of ,,playing,, but more likely somthng what our politicians does and your politicans aswell.
And people come here to play not to accept the fact tat all positions are already given out and given out ot the wery same (4-5) players. ( and used to ,,live out,, the politican desirees of those players. cmon guys from a sect but can't we just play on Disco FL? I mean together without choking each other?)
Everyone whines about Gallias so low population and so on,but noone dares to realize that it is because that place is reserverd for ,, the big E" and his ,,gang,, no matter if they are spohisticated gentlemens (what they are not but still) or professional playersm or jsut experienced and well connected trolls.
Summa summarum: I dont care about that legion crap or whatever, and not even Gallia: but no matter who does want to form what he/she wants, he would encounter the really same walls: that every important character, faction and event belongs to exile and the branch...
sad facts. And no it was not flaming since I accept the superiority of Exile, its just terribly that all characters belongs to him in gallia (or as I mentioned his 4 best horseman, but hell why is that? Since the reason is not that noone else cares about gallia as it seems)...
Even though I'm probably the biggest control freak in existence, Gallia is not reserved for the "Big E( cool nickname by the way.) and his gang". It's reserved for people following the player and dev lore of the House, for people who want to enjoy themselves in proper harmony with the others. Hell, it even worked for a while back when Fleur led the Les Counceil.
Perhaps the reason that "Everything" belongs to me and my branch is because I and said branch established the larger part of the current Gallic Player lore. Nobility, knighthood, the Grand Marshall etc are our brainchildren, naturally we'll fill those spots too. But we don't have a monopoly. A while ago, Evan (Dabbykins) came with an idea, something he wanted to try. We opened up and worked it out. Besides this I have yet to see an idea or concept properly made, worked out and with a chance of surviving. The original Legion Entrangere Gauloise idea had no place in the already established lore, naturally, we'll contest it.
I might be scary but I in no way hold a monopoly on things, you may ask anyone in my faction(s) (I know I know) about this. My way is the power to the people way.
Hmm okey. thats a good answer for me. Sorry if I seemed to be flaming it was only a hotblooded reaction. But I beleive ya ,Big E, *winks*
I just suggested this: try to build somthing together with the ones who are willing to build. (Its not me I'm more likely a destroyer type but still): maybe you could use up the ,,scum,, and give them a sergeant (or whatever) to lead them. You can controll them by leading them not only by closin em out or puttin em to cells.
Dunno. its up to you since oyu know what is happening not me. It's just let thsoe guys play who wants to play with you and dont close the place and dont set up an arja-team who gets influence ower everything .I think its a bit better to fight agansit oyur enemys than to fight agansit your pals. Its better for the confrontation part.
I wish ya good luck. and sorry that i dirted 'ere.
cheers ladz
Big E: Indeed stay xenophobic and stuff like that. Just let the poor cannonfodders die for ya if they are so desperate to do so *winks* (and call back the gang from controlling and closing the same time all other possible opposign factions) again multi factioning is an okey. but multi-opposing factioning with closing out the other players is a HELL BIG NONO.
Seby: good luck with this thing and don't be afraid of accepting their help. You can't do this without the permission of the king, and Ex is the only one who can really help you make this legion happen.
last time:
Good luck guys.
and work together.
We are all here to play and to have an enjoyable alternative aganist our rotting world called: RL 6.66
' Wrote:Big E: Indeed stay xenophobic and stuff like that. Just let the poor cannonfodders die for ya if they are so desperate to do so *winks* (and call back the gang from controlling and closing the same time all other possible opposign factions) again multi factioning is an okey. but multi-opposing factioning with closing out the other players is a HELL BIG NONO.
Seby: good luck with this thing and don't be afraid of accepting their help. You can't do this without the permission of the king, and Ex is the only one who can really help you make this legion happen.
last time:
Good luck guys.
and work together.
We are all here to play and to have an enjoyable alternative aganist our rotting world called: RL 6.66
People, grow up.
THE ONLY OUTSIDERS THAT ARE TOLERATED IN GALLIA MORE THEN 15 seconds IS THE JUNKERS, AND THAT IS ONLY IF THEIR USEFUL.
Having been part of LC i can say this. The RP in gallia is brilliant, and the closest you will get to the "foreign legion" is a twisted version of the Council.
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