Gaians are not 'Bretonian' anymore

[Marburg]

Also, it's worthy to mention that being one of the future 'exiles' & being forced to evacuate our primary base of operations into the uber islolated Faroe system, the Gaians will be able to divorce themselves from bretonian culture even more & have a larger opening & opportunity to develop something truly unique

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[Marburg]

Sorry for the double post, but here's that wall of text I all but promised.

Let's breakdown the Gaian Infocard:

Soon after tourists began to arrive in Edinburgh in 690 AS, Cambridge scientists voiced their concern over the enormous ecological damage that even the most regulated visits could inflict on the planet. Almost from birth Cambridgers had drilled into them the stories of how New London & Leeds were blighted, so they tended to be very environmentally sensitive.A few of the younger and more militant scientists studying on Edinburgh actually went so far as to begin a campaign to sabotage tourist transports in an effort to discourage visits, but with little effect.[/i]

So...127 years ago, a minority of Cambridge-based scientists started to take matters into their own hands in order to try (illegally) to protect the object of their research...simple enough, & so far, so good.

Once cobalt was discovered on Gaia in 740, the BMM began to make noises in New London about the need to establish a mining base there. What had been a quiet, bloodless campaign of active resistance blossomed into full-fledged conflict. Graffitti with slogans such as "GAIA WILL NOT BLEED" was spotted soon after. The eco-terrorist movement had begun.[/i]

After 50 years of having no real effect, it was during this era that the frustration of the Cambridge-based scientists hit critical mass & began walking the path of extremism.

I can't help but imagine all the changes within that group born of extreme frustration within half a century & those that joined the brand new 'Gaian' faction at this point would share little in common with their originators.

Eventually any plans to mine the surface of Edinburgh were dropped -- mostly out of fear that it might cut into the burgeoning tourist industry -- but the Gaians had already broadened their horizons by an influx of radical elements from Cambridge who sought a ban on terraforming technologies.Planetform, Inc.was the natural target.What emerged was a militant terrorist group philosophically opposed to the exploitation of planets, and terraforming in particular. The group enjoyed considerable popular support on Cambridge, funded by the efforts of the legitimate arm of the Gaians called the Green Front.[/i]

Now we enter the era where it's safe to believe that this the point when the Gaians is gained enough popularity to construct Islay & it would be at this point that they would begin to loose touch with Bretonian culture & begin to develop their own, as their only real safe haven would be the station they built for themselves & that isolation would further re-enforce their growing extremest views & camaraderie.

While the Gaians and the eco-terrorist movement as a whole have made little progress outside of Bretonian space, Green Front propaganda is a common sight in Bretonia. Green Front commentators are often present on the news, and unlike the Mollys, a certain amount of tolerance exists for them in the government from those disinclined to antagonize their Cambridge connections. Over the years, the movement has broadened considerably until the majority of its sympathizers are environmentally concious individuals from throughout Bretonia.[/i]

Although people love to argue this point (& I don't disagree that this should change to reflect the present day) Anyone who watches political pundits on the news channels know that they can rally some support from people for any given cause, no matter how crazy it may sound.

The sole Gaian base lies deep within the Islay Ice Cloud at the northeastern edge of the Edinburgh system. From here, the eco-terrorists coordinate attacks on their enemies within Bretonia space and the Tau-31 system. Occasionally, raids are made on the center of all evil -- Planetform, Inc.headquarters at the Canterbury station in the New London system. Ironically, although they have strong Cambridge roots, there is no activity in that system.[/i]

Besides the sorely needed update to reflect our other stations, this part doesn't really need comment

Ok, now...For 77 some odd years, the Gaians have enjoyed absolutely no measure of Bretonian citizenship & while there are people who join the movement from wherever they happen to originate from, there would be multiple decades of station-living Gaians who will follow the same biological drive to reproduce that every other human possesses, & the the resulting offspring would know absolutely nothing about what it would feel like to be anything other than a Gaian...everything they know of Bretonian culture would be learned as an outsider to it.

Gaian Natives would have never set foot on any Bretonian planet legally, never know what it's like to be seen as anything other than a criminal by the gov't & that point of view would saturate everything in their outlook.

The 'culture' the natives would have 'developed' by now would by default, rub off on the Gaians that joined up from the outside & while these 'immigrants' would have cultural knowlege the natural born Gaians don't, Once they go Gaian, they can't go back (in a manner of speaking)

Anyhoo, the point is, there is no reason why the Gaians should be pidgeonholed into such shallow views.

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[Domjan]

Well even in RP any Gaian could make a set of their own beliefs , Gaians are just an organization , Kusarian,Libertonian,Bretonian or Rheinlandorian (Didnt quite get that didn't I?) could belong to this organization meaning they are Gaians. So no being Gaian doesn't automatically make you a Bret.

[Elven]

I guess Gaians can be considered as Liberty Rogues in their majority are. They're unorganised, so yes, everyone can be in.

Why Gaians are in Bretonia? As it was mentioned, because Bretonia is the most polluted House, which already "feels" how pollution can damage health and lives of people. So far only BMM bribes and pressure from OS&C stopped Bretonia goverment from satisfying Gaian requirements. Of course with time BMM possibly took some steps to destroy public reputation of Gaians, for example using media: Gaians were accused of many crimes. As result some criminals (possibly even BMM-finansed) joined Gaians and started ruining Gaians reputation. That led to even more agressive actions from Bretonia goverment.

Still, Gaian "sub-groups" in Sigma-13, Texas would be tolerated. Dangerous radio-active scrap is already collected by Junkers for ALG in Sigma-13, and quite liberalistic and caring for it's workers GMG'd allow Gaians to assist them in descreasing pollution in Sigmas. So there'd be no need for agressive actions.

Texas. Well, Liberty goverment publically tries to comply demands of it's citizens, as there're no active enemies to them. Which include removing dangerous scrap in Texas and possibly Kepler. People of Liberty barely felt dangers of Leeds smog, for example.
However in Liberty terraforming isn't looked upon usually. Los Angeles was terraformed long ago (and a bit unsuccesfully, according to Liberty Lore [not sure where I found it, but definately on those forums]), Pittsbourgh, Atka and California Minor are already being terraformed.

Kusari is clean due to work of the Hogosha, they haven't any terraforming posts [exluding Miuru, but that can be ignored, because that's GMG space].

I'm sure there could be some Green Front movements within Bretonian part of Colonial Republic (they have one planet they're "planetforming"), however other citizens of Colonial Republic didn't feel Leeds smog or New London junk yet, so Green Front isn't really popular there - it's tolerated, nothing else.

[Politus]

I'm sure there could be some Green Front movements within Bretonian part of Colonial Republic (they have one planet they're "planetforming"), however other citizens of Colonial Republic didn't feel Leeds smog or New London junk yet, so Green Front isn't really popular there - it's tolerated, nothing else.

I disagree slightly with the whole "Bretonian part of the Colonial Republic" since most of the civilian populace are from the Sleeper ships from Crayter, and only lived in Bretonia for a year or so at most. Not really Bretonian, at least not in any significant numbers aside from the occasional family or two who immigrate.

The Colonial Republic, in addition, doesn't have a planet to call its own and the planetforming is largely to HAVE a home. It's not abusing the natural environment since there isn't an actual environment they're abusing; they're trying to eke out a living in the inhospitable wastes of the Taus.

I dunno about other factions, but I was a colonial long enough to get a feel for the lore, and there isn't really much room for the Green Front to really take root in a faction which hasn't felt the sting of pollution thus far.

At least, that's what I think, other Colonials and former Colonials (of which I am the latter) may disagree.

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"Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson. They will, in fact, calm up."

[Elven]

I disagree slightly with the whole "Bretonian part of the Colonial Republic" since most of the civilian populace are from the Sleeper ships from Crayter, and only lived in Bretonia for a year or so at most. Not really Bretonian, at least not in any significant numbers aside from the occasional family or two who immigrate.

The Colonial Republic, in addition, doesn't have a planet to call its own and the planetforming is largely to HAVE a home. It's not abusing the natural environment since there isn't an actual environment they're abusing; they're trying to eke out a living in the inhospitable wastes of the Taus.

I dunno about other factions, but I was a colonial long enough to get a feel for the lore, and there isn't really much room for the Green Front to really take root in a faction which hasn't felt the sting of pollution thus far.

At least, that's what I think, other Colonials and former Colonials (of which I am the latter) may disagree.

Well, I'm not really sure here, it's not vanilla RP, andd unfortunately I don't know much about Colonials RP.

Well, Kaze is mix of Bretonian-Kusarian, you had also a lot of people from IMG joining you (IRP).


Colonial Republic has planet in Tau-44 to planetform. But yes, you're right, that planet is on early stages of development in general.

[Politus]

Well, I'm not really sure here, it's not vanilla RP, andd unfortunately I don't know much about Colonials RP.

Well, Kaze is mix of Bretonian-Kusarian, you had also a lot of people from IMG joining you (IRP).
Colonial Republic has planet in Tau-44 to planetform. But yes, you're right, that planet is on early stages of development in general.

Aye, you're right, we did have quite a few IMG join up with us inRP. Didn't consider that. Probably something to consider. In general the characters of =CR= aren't a good reference for the ratio of Sirians to Crayterians in the Republic. inRP, most of the Republic is Crayterian in origin, I believe.

Anyway, I don't think I could see a Green Front appearing in the Colonial Republic any time soon, as interesting as it would be.

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"Things will not calm down, Daniel Jackson. They will, in fact, calm up."

[Shagohad]

What? Me being patriotic? Screw that. I do it for weed and Gaia! We can make our own damn house and call it...call it...uhhh...Gaia! Yeah! Gaian House!

But seriously, we're independent terrorists who smoke a lot of weed and kill people who take a dump on our beliefs.

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"THE HULL HAS BEEN BREACHED AND THE SCIENCE IS LEAKING OUT!"

[Marburg]

many gaians like to drink alot too:crazy:

Apprepoux to nothin' though, if anyone were to reverse engineer the genetic strain of weed, the gaians would produce a much better synth product than Cryer:cool:

Ah, sooo anyway... I'm not sure what to think about the possibility of Gaians stretching their legs outside of bretonia. I hear there are reasons to slip into California, & I wouldn't mind seeing some sort of a relationship develop with the LWB, but I'm a very patient man & will settle on using .86 to get our grubby fingers into gallia.

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[etiainen]

Seeing how Bretonia uses its space as a toilet, my Gaian has no patriotistic ties to Bretonia whatsoever, though he chooses to side with neither in the war. As it has been stated, the detailed picture varies from individual to individual, and we are not closed to people from other houses, provided that they actually care for our cause.

ninja-EDIT: I kind of agree on trying to slowly extend our influence and forging new alliances with like-minded factions. Bretonia is not the only place being tormented, though it is undoubtedly the most tormented.

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