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Offline Tenacity
07-27-2010, 09:59 PM,
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Quote:If you had knowledge of the position and nature of every atom and particle in the universe along with a sufficiently strong computing device, you could predict anything from the creation of the universe to its end.
It'll never happen, though.

The problem with this is that, according to quantum physics, the very act of looking at subatomic particles causes them to change. Theoretically what you say is possible, assuming you can gain all the data of every particle and atom in the universe at the same time without changing them in the process, but we cannot do so.

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The_Scarlet_Pimpernel
07-27-2010, 10:27 PM,
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If you knew enough about the big bang to simulate it (which we dont), you wouldnt have to know the state of the universe now. You could start at the big bang which had... hm.... probably the starting condition "0", and calculate from then to now.

But we couldnt do it anyway...

There is still a lot about subatomic physics which we dont understand, and constants that are impossible to have at 100% precision, Pi for example. If we were to simulate the univers, I assume you cant do it without having 100% precise constants, which are impossible to have for those constants.

Apart from that, the computer that simulates the universe would have to be bigger than the universe.

Where would we get the material to do that?

Even if we managed to build a computer like that from... uhm... that dimension that Morgan Freeman killed the Nihilanth in... its impossible that our computer will have no impact on our universe/dimension, cause after all... we are the ones that built it right? So they cant be independant.

If they cant be independant, the computer would also have to simulate the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that simulates the computer that

Well, I think you get the idea.
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Offline William Frederick Cody
07-27-2010, 10:46 PM,
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We (all life on this planet) have a free will. Inside some determinationed borders. No way to excuse mass murders with 'it is determinated' phrase.


We all are run by instinct more than we are aware of, but when it comes to decisions, we (see above) all have choices. More or less.


Fight, or run. Hardcoded influence and hardcoded choices that all species have over all determinations.

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Offline Panzer
07-27-2010, 10:50 PM,
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The degree of freedom is determined by the degree of order within society. If everybody plays by a set of baseline rules, freedom will be equally enjoyable for all without some units abusing freedom against others.

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Offline HuggieSunrise
07-27-2010, 11:14 PM, (This post was last modified: 07-27-2010, 11:15 PM by HuggieSunrise.)
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Free will is the nature of how everything you decide, do, and feel comes to pass.

You are not destined to cry when your ice cream falls off the cone. it is your decision to react.

Even if your entire life was spent on a rail. Your free will is your nature. Even deciding that destiny and fate is pushing you this way or that on its opposition you are deciding for or against your "alleged" destiny.

Destiny is the nature of the unknown. The only thing you are fully committed to is never knowing the future. To indulge there is an order of events or something beyond this unknown is an indulgence of the ego. Your mind cannot fathom destiny but as an scape goat over the use of your free will.


Free will is the nature of the equation destiny is just the X of it that you cannot factor or fathom.
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Offline Death.RunningVerminator
07-27-2010, 11:35 PM,
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I believe in both. Like I'm showing my free will by writing this 'ere sentance, ye? Cause' i want to! Though maybe it was my fate to write this sentence, so that one of you may comment on it, and that someone else will comment on that which may lead to someone else being highly affected by those chains of comments. Ho ho ho!
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jetblack357
07-28-2010, 09:05 PM,
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' Wrote:I believe in both. Like I'm showing my free will by writing this 'ere sentance, ye? Cause' i want to! Though maybe it was my fate to write this sentence, so that one of you may comment on it, and that someone else will comment on that which may lead to someone else being highly affected by those chains of comments. Ho ho ho!

Let the events begin....
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Offline Tenacity
07-28-2010, 11:03 PM,
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' Wrote:The degree of freedom is determined by the degree of order within society. If everybody plays by a set of baseline rules, freedom will be equally enjoyable for all without some units abusing freedom against others.

We're talking about free will, as in the ability to make decisions that are not guided by causality or some kind of force or event, not the kind of "freedom" a person in a governed society has.

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