Your problem is that you mistook the zoner ID with the neutral one.
And if somebody cries because he got shot down then move to a server where players can't harm eachother
The truth of the matter is, the way we roleplay our Zoners is one that involves trying to get along with others. Because we simply don't want to get caught up in long conflicts or wars.
Then groups emerge that have the wondrous idea of "Hey lets do the Zoners a favor and shake things up a bit"
So they attack us, bounty us, accuse us e.t.c
The thing is we don't want to be PvP focused like most the factions in the border and edge worlds.
Myself personally I don't mind PvP now and then but I know that the second that shows the entire server is going to jump us like a pack of rabid dogs because we are so different.
Also I have been seeing a lot of people telling us that we should Q_Q less and just put up with it.
Why should we put up with anything we don't want to? This is a game, and we want to have fun sticking to our roleplay. So we do the diplomacy thing, talk things out and like anyone we sometimes overreact. We arnt perfect what can I say.
Anyway enough of my rant. On to the opinion set by Vlko.
Originally we were like this but unfortunately it didnt work out.
People starting generalizing Zoners to all be No-RP powertraders with too much freedom. (which admittingly, there were quite a lot) So out of spite people started getting on our case all the time, even to those who were genuinely good at roleplaying Zoners. So we had to gather and come up with a way to address the community in a unified capacity. The Council of Zoners was the first unified body that I know of, then came the ZA after the whole Gallic fiasco. Unfortunately this sort of backfired.
Zoners are supposed to be, not a faction, but a people. Like Bretonians, or Rhienlanders. When people generalize us by using such mediums as blanket bounties its like saying all Bretonian civilians are responsible for the actions of one.
Anyway I digress.
To be splintered in the sense you say makes us into a more believable and flexible Zoner sure, but unfortunately a lot of people are not prepared to understand that. Due to laziness, bigotry or just because they are simply selfish.
For example.
Someone is wronged by a Zoner on a Freeport.
The person wronged is so mad he decides to gather up a group and starts crusading against Zoners in general.
Anyway that's my point to your opinion.
Think of it what you will but it is the unfortunate truth.
' Wrote:Why should we put up with anything we don't want to?
Totaly the same question can be adressed to you by sair players or bretonians. There is clash on interests in which there is no place for only each rp's. There is not enought room for it. So instead we need to get some kind of compromise which might damage primary vision of rp which was before the clash of interests. You play with other people who have interests too. Oh well you need to secrifice something right? I red somewhere that everyone wants to play "all powerfull" role. For such long time 2 years I've been around with corsair character in since OPG times I've and alot of other sair character were putting up with situation which wasn't fun to them at all, but we couldn't have it eitherway. Sairs accepted it. Gladly that for sairs there is much more other activities to play. Whatsover. Situation changed.
Now Vlko offered a way, which would statisfy, in his opinion, both interest groups at their best fallowing by compromise and possible conclusion to this conflict.
' Wrote:To be splintered in the sense you say makes us into a more believable and flexible Zoner sure, but unfortunately a lot of people are not prepared to understand that. Due to laziness, bigotry or just because they are simply selfish.
For example.
Someone is wronged by a Zoner on a Freeport.
The person wronged is so mad he decides to gather up a group and starts crusading against Zoners in general.
Did you read all of what I posted?
And when I said that statement you quoted, I was talking in relation to the recent problems that have arisen. And some of them have been really unfair to us.
Quote: instead we need to get some kind of compromise which might damage primary vision of rp
What if you are in a situation where the outcome would be losing pretty much everything your faction stands for. Would you just take that as fair play to their interests?
' Wrote:Totaly the same question can be adressed to you by sair players or bretonians. There is clash on interests in which there is no place for only each rp's. There is not enought room for it. So instead we need to get some kind of compromise which might damage primary vision of rp which was before the clash of interests. You play with other people who have interests too. Oh well you need to secrifice something right? I red somewhere that everyone wants to play "all powerfull" role. For such long time 2 years I've been around with corsair character in since OPG times I've and alot of other sair character were putting up with situation which wasn't fun to them at all, but we couldn't have it eitherway. Sairs accepted it. Gladly that for sairs there is much more other activities to play. Whatsover. Situation changed.
Now Vlko offered a way, which would statisfy, in his opinion, both interest groups at their best fallowing by compromise and possible conclusion to this conflict.
What he said. Corsairs have their ways as well. Their ways clash with yours and I see plenty of Zoners acting like it's their birthright for their ways to prevail.
Which is silly really. So I think it would be in your best interest to try to find a middle ground.
' Wrote:What he said. Corsairs have their ways as well. Their ways clash with yours and I see plenty of Zoners acting like it's their birthright for their ways to prevail.
Which is silly really. So I think it would be in your best interest to try to find a middle ground.
The thing is so many want this middle ground and we end up having to change too much. Then people complain that we arnt Roleplaying Zoners right.
' Wrote:What if you are in a situation where the outcome would be losing pretty much everything your faction stands for. Would you just take that as fair play to their interests?
I don't think zoners would loose anything what they supposed to be in the frist place by this suggestion. Of course I can understand some other player pitty then their plans and their vision of a faction didn't run out how they wanted to see it. But you can't get up with idea which effects other factions surrounding you, and later justify saying "you can't dicatate our rp" .. again. I can adress same statmen abck to them "You can't dictate how my faction should react into your changed rp" .. see my point?
Now in logical terms... this violated rule of the circle. Such arguments made by variuos of players in forums long lasting dozens of threads about zoners is not even an argument. Then people Q_Q .. and others get pissed off tension rises in personal player level. Which mainly caused all of this player leaving, not the rp development itself imo. But again whos to blame? If we would try to blame each other all the time we would dig up to the 3 years old roots which envolved even from earlier actions. So it doesn't prove anything.
Most of the time we can't decide in what situation we might get into. But we can decide what to do at the time given.
Quote:But you can't get up with idea which effects other factions surrounding you, and later justify saying "you can't dictate our rp"
But that's the thing, a lot of us don't actually do anything that would affect other Factions. I know I don't, but I have had to be dragged into situations that have nothing to do with me. People come on to the scene and say "Respect my RP!" But in actual fact they don't care at all and just want to make life harder on others, its a selfish way of playing and it may be an interest but it doesn't make it a justified one to played out.
I get your point and I agree with you. People should be all regarded equally in terms of RP interest and given a chance to play out that RP. But I think that people need to also take into account that some interests as innocent as they may or may not be can cause harm. I don't expect everyone to care about that, but to the players that do I can only ask to consider it.
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