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[Joneh]

Ehm... you should know that "LNS" is something complete different than "=LSF=". You're complaining about a LNS ship in a LSF thread? Just for you, LNS ships doesn't belong to us, they are indies and you can't really do much about it. We are not responsible for his actions. I guess that's all.

P.S.: Try to contact an admin about LNS-Assault's lack of roleplay, but i guess they have better things to do.

[kingvaillant]

As Hobgl said, LNS aren't under control of =LSF=, [LN] or LPI-, except in some special cases where the indies start to do some weird stuff like attacking our allies.

Also, What was this destroyer of yours doing in Liberty? They are illegal there (in RP). Thus justifying why the LNS stopped you, though maybe not justifying the lack of RP you're trying to bring forth.

If there really is a lack of RP according to you, and thus a violation of the server rules please fill a sanction report.

We've been totalitarian with our indies once. People started to complain about a certain lack of liberties. Now they have quite a lot of fresh air. Suffice to say, LSF will not intervene in LNS business unless necessary (to avoid forming new enemies, to avoid unbalanced fights, etc)

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[iron6266]

As Hobgl said, LNS aren't under control of =LSF=, [LN] or LPI-, except in some special cases where the indies start to do some weird stuff like attacking our allies.

Also, What was this destroyer of yours doing in Liberty? They are illegal there (in RP). Thus justifying why the LNS stopped you, though maybe not justifying the lack of RP you're trying to bring forth.

If there really is a lack of RP according to you, and thus a violation of the server rules please fill a sanction report.

We've been totalitarian with our indies once. People started to complain about a certain lack of liberties. Now they have quite a lot of fresh air. Suffice to say, LSF will not intervene in LNS business unless necessary (to avoid forming new enemies, to avoid unbalanced fights, etc)

Just noticed that i get confused between the LNS and the LSF from i always think they are the same faction for some reason sorry for posting in the rong feedback thread, but could you point me to where i should post it? in other wwords who controlls the LNS im guessing the navy but i could be wrong

[Korny]

It's still amusing to see that most of the =LSF= members rather do police or navy work than what the LSF actually stands for. So far they're still the Navy Mark II in my opinion. They don't act like the LSF is supposed to, as simple as that.

It isn't even hard to change, just needs some clarification.

Edit:

Almost forgot to mention another small thing that irks me. Just lately I've been around with my Indy LSF character and well, lets just say it isn't really cool to get things like:

Agent: Greetings LSF
Me: Evening
Agent: Oh, just indie lsf..

If you know what I mean. Just because my character isn't part of the "primary" division it doesn't mean he's less to respect or less worth. Would be nice to see if your guys actually learn to respect the RP of some indy folks aswell.

Cheers.

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[RmJ]

It's still amusing to see that most of the =LSF= members rather do police or navy work than what the LSF actually stands for. So far they're still the Navy Mark II in my opinion. They don't act like the LSF is supposed to, as simple as that.

It isn't even hard to change, just needs some clarification.

Irony in your statement I have been complaining about that for years. Thing is with the changing politics and the roles that LN is assuming there isn't much offered for us to do other than "house cleaning"

I even tried setting up LSF events for big busts of smuggling and such but really haven't received any support for it as it's just ignored. OR even terrorist deterrence.


How ever,

With alot of new AiT's in our program and really new Agents and commands right now LSF is going through a growing pains sort of thing. We need our Agents trained for high stress combat. You will not get that patroling Alaska. OR doing recon missions.

In time we will continue to do what we do best, that is if people don't Q_Q and metagame.

Otherwise, hang tight and things will get changed eventually.

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[RmJ]

Agent: Greetings LSF
Me: Evening
Agent: Oh, just indie lsf..

If you know what I mean. Just because my character isn't part of the "primary" division it doesn't mean he's less to respect or less worth. Would be nice to see if your guys actually learn to respect the RP of some indy folks aswell.

Well only thing I can see that it's hard to address ranks , always is, should any agent do that on my watch I'd surely slap them up. I'll post something in our forums and address the concern.

But again, all Indie LSF's will be easier to assume ranks of Agents. Thus greeting should be Agent. "Indie LSF is abit OORP. " as in saying "saying oh Indie LSF" if the group chat is assuming RPing

Mind you Indies are 80% novice players 5% disgruntled Official Players and 5% players that know what they are doing. The rest haven't a clue....it's a gamble.

When Official Factions are in groups together they are in command. They are there for a reason and any disturbance from Indies is frowned on.

Surely remember this why 'Secondaries' are not widely popular.

Prove your self to the official factions we will surely remember you and treat you differently but if we don't know you, we are HOPING and begging that you have some brains and will not mess up.

90% indies mess up.

I am not saying to cut your points down I am just reminding you why things are the way they are.


But yes, the same level of respect should be shown for hailing other Navy and Agents.


Respect = Respect I might add, show us respect and it will be given out to you.

Cheers.

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[Korny]

Mind you Indies are 80% novice players 5% disgruntled Official Players and 5% players that know what they are doing.

90% indies mess up.

That's exactly the way your people are thinking, which is, in my opinion, totally stupid. If you already say things like "Oh hey, Indies mess up anyway" it's pretty obvious that there won't be any respect to indies, may it be a novice player or someone who actually knows what he's doing.

Respect = Respect I might add, show us respect and it will be given out to you.

How am I supposed to show respect to players who already mess up the greeting ?

Prove your self to the official factions we will surely remember you and treat you differently

Also a funny point, my character has -nothing- to prove anyone to the official LSF's, since they're theoretically all in the same group, the LSF NPC faction.

If you treat anyone without respect who hasn't "proven" to you, then my point just confirmed.

To be honest I've seen many Indie LSF players who actually RP their role better than most of the officials would.

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[RmJ]

Korny I'll make this simple.

We think that way because for years it has been that way.

Until we are proven otherwise we will continue to think that way. In a conflict Official Factions don't wanna gamble who their pawns of war are.

Indies = Gamble.

It's fact.



=LSF= Has proven themselves thats why they are official.


Most claims like that I find are bunched from one experience. Sure claim it. But again provide and show me.

I have addressed these concerns. Thank you for bringing them up.

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[Maximo Valeri]

Things are looking a lot better now.

I remember in the past between the [LN] and the =LSF= that there were plenty of arguments in management and who is handling what in-game. The same could be said about how transmissions and decision making is handled. From personal experiences, this seems to have stopped completely.

The =LSF= members respects us and in return we do the same. This shows in how in-game events are handled, the teamwork is there now - the same can be said in battles. We are allies, not just as characters but as players (when we RP our characters).

I'm really glad to see this and I hope it continues.

Also I would like to make it clear that if there are any subtle "hostilities" between certain [LN] characters and certain =LSF= ones, that might just be due to our characters and their personalities. It's important to spot the difference as to not cause unnecessary OORP drama. If you have any questions regarding this it's important that you highlight them.

For example there is a large difference in how my two characters (as seen in my signature) react to =LSF= characters. Whilst one might be more rude, the other one is more respectful. But it's definitely not sourced from me as a player. I'm just trying to express the personalities which I have developed for both of them. Being aware of this difference, is very important if you want to stay in good relationships with the other side, player-to-player wise.

[LegendOfTheWolf]

Also I would like to make it clear that if there are any subtle "hostilities" between certain [LN] characters and certain =LSF= ones, that might just be due to our characters and their personalities. It's important to spot the difference as to not cause unnecessary OORP drama. If you have any questions regarding this it's important that you highlight them.

I agree, players seem to forget the difference in RP, and player-player personal issues. I've had 1 ( or more ) argument with Dimitrova, that doesn't mean I hate the player guts out, if anything I have more respect for the player due to the RP I received in return.

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