How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[DarthBindo]

@ Dusty
A wizard does it.
A magical invisible Zoner crateshrinking wizard.
True story.

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gone four years, first day back: Zoners still getting shot in Theta :|

[Kubotan]

The statement was aimed at Dusty Lens begin_of_the_skype_highlighting     end_of_the_skype_highlighting and anyone else who was trying to meta-game Mike Rotch as an Omicroner, which he is not even by secret parts of his RP, but for you to know that basic comprehension skills would be required. Less conspiracy theory please.

Wrong person indeed.

I was not part of Zoner leadership at the time. Just another independent. Calling me out on poor actions will not stick.

However, you are most welcome to paint me as the picture of evil for supposed flaming, whilst it is your signature which is "subtly trying to hide a rather badly planned insult".:laugh:

However, it was a riveting exposition, comrade.

I must congratulate you good sir for achieving making a post that answers no point at all!

You know when I wrote, that you should write for the fifth-hundred time "cool story bro"?

I was wrong, I apologize.

You wrote "riveting exposition, comrade". I managed to pinpoint my fatal mistake. You won this time!

[n00bl3t]

I must congratulate you good sir for achieving making a post that answers no point at all!

You know when I wrote, that you should write for the fifth-hundred time "cool story bro"? I was wrong, I apologize. You wrote "riveting exposition, comrade". I manage to pinpoint my fatal mistake. You won this time!

Oh the irony.

However, explain what parts of your post I did not address, if you can?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[BaconSoda]

Everyone above or below these lines has been trolled or is a troll.

But, you know...

EDIT: But on the topic, different views of RP are different, therefore bad, seems to be a common trend. I don't think it's healthy, but thinking about legitimate RP on a different side is nice. Maybe everyone can do that. Everyone. That'd be nice.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Kubotan]

Oh the irony.

However, explain what parts of your post I did not address, if you can?

Well it was about the part where jag börjar skriva på svenska eftersom jag kan inte svara på argumenten.

Oh you have trouble reading <strike>latin</strike> swedish? I'm sorry. Guess I won this discussion by default then since you are incapable of answering me.

[n00bl3t]

Well it was about the part where jag börjar skriva på svenska eftersom jag kan inte svara på argumenten.

Oh you have trouble reading latin swedish? I'm sorry.

I was more than willing to translate for you, if you asked? (Again, they say I hold grudges.)

May I know what you are saying above please Sir?

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[blubba]

This is cobblers.
The sizes of some peoples egos are imeasurable. On all sides of this disagreement, people appear to have taken the thread as a personal insult upon themselves and it must be rebuffed no matter how stupid they look, and judging by the post count, they sure are trying.

A lot of what the guys on Freeport 9 have said, indies or otherwise is inaccurate and misleading. So badly misleading in some cases that it amounts to bearing false witness. With that in mind, their intent seems evident.

The Corsair diplomacy is as usual, about as pleasant to deal with as a dose of gonorrhea. What started out as quite sensible has degenerated into a farce with slanging matches taking place all over the forums like spoilt children.

This is the internet. Threats about what your going to do to in game don't really scare anyone. From no food ever to dropping your trousers. (Ok, the last one might be a little scary in a weird way I suppose).
It's a game. I can die. Four hours later I am alive again and nothings changed. Get realistic, read the information you have (again in some cases) and make an informed decision between you with dialogue.

With regard to the initial post:

the whole point of the Corsair faction is that they must rely on others for their food. While Hogosha and Samura are not great food producers, this whole problem is out of what corsairs should be. It's like saying that OCs found a cure for Cardi and are now administrating it only to get the positive results. I'm sorry but this is bull****, and all the crap with the attack on the zoners is also bull****. What? You want to control Theta? Well, we're playing FL here, not some strategy game so [Breaking news] You can't have a system just because you want. All parties involved in that must agree, and from what I can see, zoners are not agreeing to let the sairs in their backyard.

'they must rely on others for their food.' Does it say Freeport 9 there?
In fact Vince says "Your food"
The corsairs aren't saying the Zoners are bad for not delivering food. It's the Zoners who keep saying that they deliver it and so corsairs should be more respectful and honour them for it. Even when they put a gun to their heads. They say it over and over and over and hide behind that like a shield. Corsairs understandably ask for proof and Zoners can't really supply it so it goes back to square one. Corsairs aren't going on about food. Zoners are.
A cure for Cardi?
Not at all. It's like saying the Outcast (2nd largest criminal orgainisation in Sirius) has an agreement with House Bretonia.
The constant attacks on Gamma from the Freeport is not bull****. You seem completely oblivious to it and all the while, you claim neutrality. You can't have it both ways. Try to see this from the other side.
What? They want to control Theta?
Do they?
I suppose they wouldn't mind but they didn't ask for it did they?
They demanded that their laws are recognised. What?
That all artifact smugglers and food transports bound for corsair bases are to run freely?
That no ship, if caught by a corsair, is allowed to pass that is supplying Corsair enemies?
Massive changes to existing policy isn't it eh?
A customs office?
Ever heard of an RP tool?
As for a backyard, it's as much their backyard as it is yours. You happen to have the base there and they are saying you keep it.

I'm tired and pissed to see the first page covered with ooRP hatred and idiotic messages in the communication channel. You forgot the main reason you're here. Don't forget, Sairs, that you have wars at the other side of Sirius. BAF, Mollies, Hessians, OCs and other parties are at your doors while the zoners have no open conflicts. They're more than able to defend Theta and any other system where they're present from your raids. You can't assemble a fleet to take them out because if you could, you could also conquer Rheinland and Hessians would be long gone

I refer you to my earlier paragraphs pertaining to the behaviour of several parties.
As for stepping on Theta, there is little doubt in my mind that the Freeport would have fallen. This however is not RL and the Freeport is indestructable, as are the players. We should all learn to live with that and play the game with that limitation.

Your superiority in PvP fights won't win you the system or the bases in it because, guess what! All zoners have escape pods. And no, killing NPCs doesn't prove anything. Imagine a band of zoners or better OCs killing NPCs right in front of Crete. What would that make them? Victors in a war and you would be all dead or slaves on the maltese cardi fields. Get your act together and stop asking idiotic demands just to have your share of legate gankfests. By the way, corsairs are and will always be starving, even with zoner or any other helper. That's a characteristic of the NPC faction. You can't change it... yet. If you change that, you also loose the reason of piracy and you can become a lawful house of sirius and that won't happen except if Igiss comes in and says it.

Escape pods?
You can't die. The FP is invulnerable. It's a game.
Starving with or without Zoner food?
They see it as starving without Zoner food. Dying from countless attacks with. See where this is going?
As for a lawful house, I'm afraid you have missed the point. They have laws and are a lawful society. It's everyone else that isn't. You see, one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter and until people can understand the otherside (you may not agree, just understand), they will always be one of the "No U" examples.

And I'm not just talking about Vince as a sair here, I'm talking about the black sails and the other elders as well...

I have absolutely no idea where this comment is going except to wind people up.
If anyone needs any confirmation of this, I refer you all to the first post made by the Black Sails Councilor on the 'Good neighbour policy'.
He said, and I quote:

I guess I need to talk to some people.

Good to see, we finally came to a point where we can talk... Again.

~ Espi

This, despite you specifically barring his group from docking.
So what did you do?
You tore it up.
It looks to me like some people need to go back and take a long hard look at what is really on the table and start getting wise instead of all this kneejerk reaction.

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[Zapp]

Why did Dab leave this post? It's of similar nature to all the other posts he made disappear. Huh. Why is he quoting it? I don't know. All I know is he's deleting all new posts. There's no real purpose to this thread with Dab sitting on it mashing F5 like a trader mashing cruise to escape a pirate. Lock please.

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[Dab]

Lock please.

No, I don't think so. You guys don't get to just spam a thread until it gets locked because you don't want to discuss it anymore. I'm sick of this attitude from long-term members of this community. It's not okay, you know it isn't, and you're intentionally violating forum rules. I highly recommend you don't persist in it.

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[Zapp]

No, I don't think so. You guys don't get to just spam a thread until it gets locked because you don't want to discuss it anymore. I'm sick of this attitude from long-term members of this community. It's not okay, you know it isn't, and you're intentionally violating forum rules. I highly recommend you don't persist in it.

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Can anyone seriously say that there's anything close to a rational discussion still going on? The only thing I've seen is Sina and n00bl3t going back and forth with no valid points raised. While there may be some "valid points" back a few (read: 20 or 25) pages, it's quite obvious the original purpose of this thread is lost...

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