How a player faction excludes a characteristic of the NPC faction

[BaconSoda]

No, I don't think so. You guys don't get to just spam a thread until it gets locked because you don't want to discuss it anymore. I'm sick of this attitude from long-term members of this community. It's not okay, you know it isn't, and you're intentionally violating forum rules. I highly recommend you don't persist in it.

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Can you really even pretend there's still a discussion anymore? I'm just wondering, because from the perspective of people looking in from the outside, I see a lot of circles and a lot of trolling. Seriously, I think we established on page 12 that there were two different perspectives and that they should just respect each other OoRP and bash each other in RP, RPing a way to a solution instead of making up statistics which are not justified ever.

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[8:32:45 PM] Dusty Lens: Oh no, let me get that. Hello? Oh it's my grandma. She says to be roleplay.
[12:49:19 AM] Elgatodiablo: You know its nice that you have all that proof and all, Bacon... but I just don't believe you.

[Dab]

Can anyone seriously say that there's anything close to a rational discussion still going on? The only thing I've seen is Sina and n00bl3t going back and forth with no valid points raised. While there may be some "valid points" back a few (read: 20 or 25) pages, it's quite obvious the original purpose of this thread is lost...

I don't care if you see it as rational or not. You do not flood and troll the thread. This is not flood, and it's not acceptable. It's a violation of the rules, and I'm sick of the bandwagoning that happens in every thread people don't like or get tired of. As you may be noticing, all spam/troll posts are being made invisible. You can waste time posting, and getting into trouble over it, while no one can even read your posts, or you can leave the thread if you don't want to discuss the topic.

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[DAnvilFan]

So what did you do?
You tore it up.
It looks to me like some people need to go back and take a long hard look at what is really on the table and start getting wise instead of all this kneejerk reaction.

There are two factors that played a role in making this happen. Stress and miscommunication.

1) Zoners wanted assured safety into Gamma if they were to deliver goods. However, they had a few ways of phrasing the request. Zoners got a little cocky, and phrased their message so that it sounded like extortion instead of a plea for help.
2) Corsairs, who do not like have their power challanged, went for immediate aggressive tactics instead of opening proper communications with Zoners. They allied with [A] and started systematically attacking Zoner vessels.

So the situation you have is that Black Sails are killing Zoners for not bringing goods while allying with Anarchists, who are the cause for Zoners being afraid to travel about through Gamma in the first place.

Then you have some Zoners that continue to ship food (like my characters), but because Corsairs were pissed off at all Zoners, if you were ever spotted without having food or artifacts in your hold while in Omicrons, you went kapoof. Now you have all sorts of Zoners, half of whom are rarely visiting Discovery forums, going "wtf are you doing this, I've done nothing to deserve it."

What you end up with is a very large Zoner population that is being targeted while not being a part of the original conflict, which occurred between OSI/ZTC and Corsairs. When a giant combined force of Black Sails and Anarchists descended on Freeport 9, most everybody that heard of this incident saw it as a straight up invasion.

And still no one was talking. On either side.

So what we are left with is a series of violent attacks that Zoners see as unprovoked because no proper communication ever took place. Add to this the constant attacks by the BHG Core, and you've got a group of people that are seriously pissed off. Now here is the question that members of Freeport 9 asked:

Why must a group of pirates that have repeatedly targeted their people be allowed to dock? Consider that at this point goods had already been going to Crete, the Good Neighbor Policy was adopted and the response from Corsairs was "half of Omicron Theta belongs to us." Now what kind of a message does that send to a bunch of paranoid, harassed Zoners?

So Zoners on Freeport 9 did what they considered fair. They listed all of the parties that shot at them and blocked docking rights. Mind you, they did not say that they won't bring goods TO Corsairs. As a matter of fact, a deal was being offered behind closed doors to do just that. The fact that Corsairs replied to the restriction of docking rights by sending an Armada to bombard FP9 that is bigger than any armada they've sent against Outcasts in ages, only convinced Zoners in the Omicrons that Corsairs are crazy psychotic.

And for vanilla Zoners that might have been frightning enough for them to cave in. But for Discovery Zoners, who have Aquilons, Juggernauts, Destroyers, and a planet with 400 million people, it did not seem as intimidating. The Zoners on Freeport 9 still suspect that [A] was a rouse invented by the Corsair Empire to begin hostilities.

Recall the fact that to this day, the Corsair Council has not made a single public statement regarding the Anarchists, who they are, what they did, and what the Empire's stance is regarding this group. What they HAVE seen is Corsairs teaming up with [A] to harass Zoner ships and bomb FP9. Miscommunication on both sides is what killed the cat.

EDIT: I will add this final bit. It is the right of every faction to turn hostile after repeated attacks. I am talking about in roleplay terms. Fire at Zoner NPCs and see what happens. Now kill a good deal of Zoner NPCs. What has just happened to your reputation sheet? Get what I'm saying? This bit is directed at those OORP comments that deem FP9's decision to block docking rights as absurd and otherwise OORP "angst" driven.

[silverleaf]

Hey enough of this smack what are the in game consequences for the rest of us who prefer to carry on with our daily lives instead of taking part in some ridiculous war of smack? Are corsairs barred from zoner bases or are they not? Can I still trade with corsairs or must I find a new route?

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Scavengers of the Abyss - A Freelancer Short Story

[DAnvilFan]

Tell them you're working for Freeport 5 and they should leave you alone for the most part. Taxes are another thing.

[globalplayer-svk]

What is still secret to me is,what happened between good neighboor policy and restriction of docking rights for corsairs, maybe i am wrong but i dont noticed any hostile action from corsair side between the 4 days.can someone from zoners explain thst to me?
Because from corsair wiew it is really contraproductive to see one day one thing and 4 days something much different.

Other thing is that freeport in theta is still used to base capital ships of our enemies(outcast) so from corsair point of wiew another big reason to anihilate it


Other thing very hard for me is,how to talk with zoners...3 groups have 3 different opinions... Some will war and some peace

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[Not Espi]

god, this is still going? if you people spent half the time you spend writing in this thread in the comm channel section, making up VALID points instead of just NO-U-ing this would have been resolved for weeks now.

and bluespawn, 'tell them you work for freeport 5'? really? i swear to god if a ship announces this and then proceeds to dock on freeport nine, it will mess up things for a lot of people who actually worked on keeping good relations with the corsairs.

additionally, the blockade of theta began after you announced you are denying docking rights for leading corsair clans. up until then, everything was calm. noticed that? then you come and say we cant dock the base, and a few hours later, you have several wings waiting to shoot anything that wants to dock with freeport 9.


concerning how we are not reliant on food, just to actually STAY ON TOPIC OF THIS THREAD; i've said it already, and i will say it again:

food is not the only thing the corsairs need to import. even vanilla rumors say that the corsairs are building a biodome-ish thing already, and after that none of them would ever be in need for food again. wouldn't they finish it in 16 years? freeport 9's 'irradiated' biodomes were rebuilt in what ... 3 weeks? by a group based several light years away from theta? good show, yes.

again, no - food is not an issue anymore. there are other commodities that need to be acquired. fuel for snubcraft and capitals, ship buidling materials, various stuff that is essential for maintaining a fleet and the standard of living, despite it being as low as it is, on crete.

oh and by the way, i was amazed how we were being laughed at when i announced near freeport 9 that oxygen and water are delivered there from crete (in exchange for ... *drumroll* ... food, yes). it seems the zoners can deny the canon lore, but corsairs can not? no thank you - thre is only so much time before your body fails to process recycled air.

[Agmen of Eladesor]

Just to throw this out here, because it does relate, after all...

It's a slightly different path for delivery of things to Gamma, like food - but...

Stuttgart to Dresden, down through Omega 15, around the star to Omega, 41, and then you're in Gamma. You have Freeport 5 there, a Rheinland battleship covering one of the holes for protection, and a Freeport in 41 to provide other ways in.

Why is coming in that way less hazardous or worse of a trans-shipment method than the ones that now currently involve Freeport 9? Theta is still NOT Gamma - and this takes the pressure off the routes that go through or near Outcast space and puts them on routes through or near Hessian space - with one major difference.

There are Hessian and Corsair (and Junker) npc's in 15 - but there is also a house military AND the bounty hunters guild in 15 as well. I'm just thinking it's a safer trip and would be a boon to the economies for Rheinland and the other factions involved - and take the heat off of Freeport 9, so it could be scrapped or allowed to actually pretend to be neutral again...

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Oh god... The end of days... Agmen agreed with me.

[n00bl3t]

What is still secret to me is,what happened between good neighboor policy and restriction of docking rights for corsairs, maybe i am wrong but i dont noticed any hostile action from corsair side between the 4 days.can someone from zoners explain thst to me?
Because from corsair wiew it is really contraproductive to see one day one thing and 4 days something much different.

Other thing is that freeport in theta is still used to base capital ships of our enemies(outcast) so from corsair point of wiew another big reason to anihilate it
Other thing very hard for me is,how to talk with zoners...3 groups have 3 different opinions... Some will war and some peace

I think there was an attack during that period. I hope that explains it.

Good neighbour policy already sorted that. Moot point.

Omicroners and Freeport 9 representatives are all you need to deal with. [TAZ] seem to be kept out of hostilities for some reason or another, no, none of us know what it is either, and OSI- seems to backdoor dealing with you anyway.

Glad we sorted that out.

god, this is still going? if you people spent half the time you spend writing in this thread in the comm channel section, making up VALID points instead of just NO-U-ing this would have been resolved for weeks now.

and bluespawn, 'tell them you work for freeport 5'? really? i swear to god if a ship announces this and then proceeds to dock on freeport nine, it will mess up things for a lot of people who actually worked on keeping good relations with the corsairs.

additionally, the blockade of theta began after you announced you are denying docking rights for leading corsair clans. up until then, everything was calm. noticed that? then you come and say we cant dock the base, and a few hours later, you have several wings waiting to shoot anything that wants to dock with freeport 9.
concerning how we are not reliant on food, just to actually STAY ON TOPIC OF THIS THREAD; i've said it already, and i will say it again:

food is not the only thing the corsairs need to import. even vanilla rumors say that the corsairs are building a biodome-ish thing already, and after that none of them would ever be in need for food again. wouldn't they finish it in 16 years? freeport 9's 'irradiated' biodomes were rebuilt in what ... 3 weeks? by a group based several light years away from theta? good show, yes.

oh and by the way, i was amazed how we were being laughed at when i announced near freeport 9 that oxygen and water are delivered there from crete (in exchange for ... *drumroll* ... food, yes). it seems the zoners can deny the canon lore, but corsairs can not? no thank you - thre is only so much time before your body fails to process recycled air.

If perhaps the Elders came to the table to discuss things instead of announcing OOC hatred for Zoner players we might get somewhere too, but I digress, much less so than the aforementioned parties of course.

It was a great show. We also allied with an enemy, the nomads, no wait it was a NAP, and then we got a xenophobic house's corporation to shop oxygen to us. But hey, at least we role-played damage to our stations, right?:dry:(Yes, I cannot believe a Corsair player is talking about equality in RP either.)

So, in summation, Freeport 9 has all the resources it needs.

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Anything I say is not intended as offensive, and to try and deliberately misinterpret it as such would be an attempt at trolling via misrepresentation.

It's not a conspiracy, it's localised bias. They're not intelligent enough to form a conspiracy.

[Not Espi]

actually nooblet, no. we NEED to deal with other zoner parties, since the corsair council sees zoners as separate groups, rather than one big bunch of whatever.

we have the omicroners and the freeport 9 folk, who are considered rather unfriendly at the moment.

on the other hand, we have freeport 5 people, OSI and TAZ, who are considered friendly. (TAZ being in question atm due to a certain communique from two days back)

then there are freeport one zoners, who are ignored when it comes to diplomacy.

you might believe there is a single pigeonhole for all the zoners from the corsair perspective, but i assure you there are more. only thing that is preventing us (corsairs) from setting ourselves hostile to freeport nine and omicroners is current game mechanics, which considers all zoners as one group. in my point of view, it would be like setting ourselves hostile with the freelancer faction, which we have a full right to do, since the mandalorian mercenaries use that iff. there are more colours in the world than just back and white.


additionally, what ooc hatred are you talking about? is it the 'us and them' concept, or are you just having an argument with everyone just to have one?