Im sorry if this will sound stupid, but what was the question? If its about the constant surveillance, no, of course its not possible, and people shouldnt blame any "law enforcement agencies" because of that.
But you mentioned alternatives, well... If alternatives arent presented by the law enforcement agencies themselves, then the people will make their own alternatives, perhaps ones that the same law enforcement agencies wont like. But thats just me.
Quote:Yet, how can we express our support so everyone is happy and they feel supported by their military? Please, I'm all ears on ideas.
If you don't understand it, allow me to note the following:
We feel support for a certain faction in-game.
We don't want them to look for unjustified alternatives in-game.
But we are impossible to express our support properly because of non in-game issues.
So in short, we don't want people to break lore because of terms that have nothing to do with lore.
Actually, I encountered pretty much your situation yesterday, a large group of Kusari were in Dublin, with little chance to repel them by myself, so I logged a battleship with 5 solaris, I didn't run in guns blazing and RP'd the situation as realistically as possible 'stationary trade protection' and all that jibber jabber, thereafter BMM started calling me incompetent. I waited until they started attacking Miners and simply tailed them, I got into range of the miners and they simply ran away, I did this until they left the system.
What I suppose, is that the military are there to keep peace in the most dangerous parts of house space, Dublin, Califorina/New York, Kyushu and whatever Rheinland has for pirate active systems. The Battleship Essex is in Dublin to prevent damage to mining industry, Battleship Nagumo is at the Kyushu gate to prevent smuggling/raids from tau 23, non-vanila Bs outside planet Stuttgart to protect the interests of the planet and so forth. Most stationary Battleships are used to protect economic interests.
To sum up, Military are to keep peace in 'flashpoints' and police are there to stop smuggling and low intensity crime/piracy, every other security orginsation is there to do the escorting of traders no matter how much they demand that you escort them, they need to hire people. Use of heavies should only be used to hold choke points and not really to chase people and barge into fighter vs fighter pvp.
There, a capwhores Raison de etre on a plate for any wannabee capwhore, send your thank you letters in the post.
' Wrote:We feel support for a certain faction in-game.
We don't want them to look for unjustified alternatives in-game.
But we are impossible to express our support properly because of non in-game issues.
So in short, we don't want people to break lore because of terms that have nothing to do with lore.
Im gonna be blunt here, and please dont feel offended by this, but...
Its impossible for military players (talking about FL) to support their workers/citizens if they only stay in 1 system. The patrols you were talking about, rarely happen. I understand you tell your boys to do patrols, but maybe you should mention to them to patrol some systems other than Braunschweig, thats gonna solve some problems.
If you look at the LN, they are constantly patrolling Liberty systems (from what I saw), they arent just staying in New York (or Virginia for that matter)...
Edit: In conclusion, I dont buy the whole "we cant be there because of non in-game issues".
What about splitting responsibilities among the factions? I can't say much about the other houses. But in Rheinland, in which the RFP has been pretty active as of late, try to work out a deal with them so the military can focus on the frontier systems (Hamburg, Omega-7, Dresden and maybe Stuttgart/Omega-11) and the police takes care about the core systems like New Berlin, Frankfurt (not exactely core but important for the economy) and maybe Stuttgart. That would for one, make the police more 'needed' which in my opineion is an incentive to log on a police ship and would give the military more time to keep the 'hot spots' safe. If people complain about lacking military presence in core systems then, tell them there is one - thats why you have NPC cap patrols in capital systems at key points (like around bases and planets, Planet Stuttgart for example is one of the safest places in Rheinland, I saw the stationary BS plus 4 NPC BS patrols there the other day).
I'm writing this while trying to liten to my prof, so I hope it isn't too weird <_<
@Markam, if you were actually serious with the battleship proposal, it can't work because of lore issues, say in the case of Rheinland we have a history of losing fleets to environmental hazards so I try to refrain from sending capital ships into say, the Omegas.
I'll admit though... I turned a blind eye over some independents doing it, seeing that my RP measurements were not exactly responded to with an equally fair notion.
Your point about stationary battleships is valid, it's a shame (?) though that they aren't exactly allocated efficiently to have a value as a peace keeping entity, nor do we, factions have the power to position them better.
As for your last point, which I believe also covers Dodike, we have our respective Bounty Boards set up, though your idea may actually work with motivated mercenaries. The thing is, I don't quite feel that the military should be paying these mercenaries exactly because of the following reasoning:
In-RP, corporations make the profit for the House/military, but in reality they don't. There is no tax or anything similar, so the cash of the military is made by the military. Spending the military's real cash to protect their non-real enterprise partners is sorta iffy, especially if we pay ludicrous amounts to mercenaries as we did before, say in the case of Reavers, who were damn efficient but also drained a few hundred millions of Rheinwehr money.
If the corporation pays tax (instead of paying their enemies to leave them alone), we can invest that into protecting them, but now we can barely finance our own needs to stay alive, as a faction.
@Smokey: As I said previously, whenever I'm around, we usually patrol every single choke point of Rheinland, first being the Omegas. Training in Braunschweig, is of course something I do not condemn because if we want to be efficient in countering piracy, we also need to be efficient as fighters. I think it's bold to state that we're only in one system, personally speaking I know I invested much more effort into resolving the Omega crisis than the war with Liberty or training my men, yet people assume that I don't care about it.
Then again, there's also an RP event going on in Braun, hopefully Felicia is stable now though.
@Wuselkobold, I've been trying to focus on that, like taking the Military more frequently into the Omegas (as I said quite a few times already), the Sigmas and the Liberty border worlds (where activity seems to have died again). The thing is, if something happens in the core systems, the RFP is not always online to handle it, yet I can personally state that we try to give them priority in handling internal issues whenever they are. Of course, as a faction leader I have to be responsible for keeping up the interest of my own men as well, note that.
Also, I was going to ask the RFP to go to the Omegas even before I went busy in December. I think I will do so now, but the problematic issue is the lack of proper equipment... hm I think I have an idea.
' Wrote:What about splitting responsibilities among the factions? I can't say much about the other houses. But in Rheinland, in which the RFP has been pretty active as of late, try to work out a deal with them so the military can focus on the frontier systems (Hamburg, Omega-7, Dresden and maybe Stuttgart/Omega-11) and the police takes care about the core systems like New Berlin, Frankfurt (not exactely core but important for the economy) and maybe Stuttgart. That would for one, make the police more 'needed' which in my opineion is an incentive to log on a police ship and would give the military more time to keep the 'hot spots' safe. If people complain about lacking military presence in core systems then, tell them there is one - thats why you have NPC cap patrols in capital systems at key points (like around bases and planets, Planet Stuttgart for example is one of the safest places in Rheinland, I saw the stationary BS plus 4 NPC BS patrols there the other day).
I'm writing this while trying to liten to my prof, so I hope it isn't too weird <_<
Thats pretty much what I'd have suggested as well. The Military shouldnt be tasked with patrolling the core space, thats what the Police should do. And its pretty much the Police factions fault if they restrict themself to not that good ships and equipment. The RFP seemed to have understood this, thats why they use the Eagle much more then the LF, at least thats what I have realized.
Yet, how can we express our support so everyone is happy and they feel supported by their military? Please, I'm all ears on ideas.
If you don't understand it, allow me to note the following:
We feel support for a certain faction in-game.
We don't want them to look for unjustified alternatives in-game.
But we are impossible to express our support properly because of non in-game issues.
So in short, we don't want people to break lore because of terms that have nothing to do with lore.
I understand Alec standpoint. And he wont be surprised if I say I agree and disagree with his oppinion. A military group CAN handle the situation for a longer term. Sure not 24/7 but if Im rmember right, when the 1st WRF was on the top, Omegas was fairly safe for miners, and Im sure a lot of Kruger miner agree with this sentence (The active WRF members number was only 4). We always was close and came if someone needed help or reported a pirate in Omegas. Sadly RM dont do the same. Just yesterday I runned into 3 Outcast arms alone on my DHC- eagle and called an [RM], but his short answer was "Dont care". This wasnt the 1st time when civilians called back up, but [RM] forces usually better prefered Hamburg planet where almost nothing happen than Omega 7 rocks (this RM was in Conn but char change not so hard).
What need to do? Simply. You personally have a half dozen of [RM] tagged, and who know how many indy RM char. You and others park 1-1 on Elbich/Briesen and change there if civilians need some protection against corsairs or RHA/RF. All time. In mass. And of course kill or kick out the enemy. How and why is secondary for a miner who can throw out a dozen of half hour work in a day because he must drop the cargo, pay tax and so on. And do not make patrol when noone around, but come when really needed.
And dont think I am behind the DHC/RHA cease fire pact, I always chose the way of fight, and this sound to me like a surrender, but I totally understand my members. Daumann and Kruger dont contain so much member like RHA contain aces. 2-3 from us what have moderate skills in fight, others sadly... . DHC- tried a lot. Hired BHG- hired mercs, created WRF, begged for rheinland technology coz eagle is sux in O11 radiation. Seems like noone wanted messing with RHA and we dont wanted a 2nd Dublin (actually Dublin is better coz at least HAF is there and die for his civilians).
I already know the answer: the magic word RP and common sense, but losing and losing and losing all day, more times is boring after a while. RM leaders somehow never understood this. We asked, noone can say we dont tried, because RM not helped solving our problems, we solved on our own way. And before someone say it is OORP, it isnt. A firm - especially if no other way - juse up his money weapon. This is the capitalist way and he dont care how government dont prefer it.
Now I told my oppinion about your question, what is not a new thing. I proved in the past how it can work, with smaller number player. And I now turn back a little bit your question. What did RM for his civilians? I am in Rheinland since 2 years and dont saw too much. Seems like you are surprised just dunno why.
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