' Wrote:I do not think new player,old player,or mid range even matters. It is attitude. Some just do not care about rules,and will look to abuse. Also some do not speak english. Yet some are also young children that just do not play well with others. Point being you have no idea who is on other side of the web.
I think you are looking to deeply into what is being said here..
But for discussions sake..
Most of the people that have been here for a good long time.. obviously would not be here if they constantly broke the rules (a little here or there, but you get my drift).. Thus most of the time they abide by the RP/Rules.
New people come in a variety of flavors.. but generally you will catch them between 2.. Not caring and Caring but not knowing. Those that care simply need to be instructed. Those that do not care, cannot be instructed. Obviously we do not need those that do not care.
The people in the middle are much more grey and are what Rogue was saying, "They know enough to rule lawyer and cause problem".. When in actuallity they do NOT know enough, and only know the basic rules and attempt to apply them out of context. Or simply they cause problems because they think they can get away with something because they did not fully understand the rules. It is this group of people that make up the majority of freelance imo and as such run a wider range between the 2 different poles of good players and Bad players.
' Wrote:I do not think he was refering to likeing or disliking RP.. but the quantity of RP..
I can take 10min to sit down and write a 1 page forum post that basically ends in a Cap request...
Does that in any way form show that once I get ingame I am not just going to LULCAP my way into problems?..
I think what he was looking for was, "RP in-game to show that you actually know whats going on, that your not just in it for ZOMG PVPS!".. Obviously this is conditional as well as someone can RP their way there and then not give a crap afterwards... I am simply saying that I beleive this is what he was getting at.
Many people's RP I do not personally "like".. but I can say that they do infact RP. Isnt that the idea of RP.. to be creative, and to cause friction and drama between factions so that the game is fun and interesting...
So I would say in terms of his post.. it is not a liking/disliking.. It is more a contrast to RP or no-rp?
Well you kind of made my point for me. I RP Yorktown as a pain in the butt to all,even [LN]. But i always RP,and always stay out of snub fight's(unless ordered to help). Now if i RP'd that way trying to get a dread? Good rp,or bad RP would matter not. They would be bias cause i pissed them off,and deny me a dread. Same go's if i already had it?(per the supposed new rules) they would take it away.
That is power no factions should have. Also alot do not want to waste money on a Fighter>gunboat>cruiser>battlecruiser>dread. They want to save,and just get a dread. How they play it AFTER they get it can be punished as per sanction's,and FR5's. Thats what we have,and thats all we need. Just look in sanctions. A whole group were just banned from caps for miss use. That proves current system does work.
' Wrote:Well you kind of made my point for me. I RP Yorktown as a pain in the butt to all,even [LN]. But i always RP,and always stay out of snub fight's(unless ordered to help). Now if i RP'd that way trying to get a dread? Good rp,or bad RP would matter not. They would be bias cause i pissed them off,and deny me a dread. Smae go's if i already had it?(per the supposed new rules) they would take it away.
That is power no factions should have. Also alot do not want to waste money on a Fighter>gunboat>cruiser>battlecruiser>dread. They want to save,and just get a dread. How they play it AFTER they get it can be punished as per sanction's,and FR5's. Thats what we have,and thats all we need. Just look in sanctions. A whole group were just banned from caps for miss use. That proves current system does work.
I was not saying the new system does not work. I was simply trying to say what I think the OP meant, at least to me.
However.. imo there are to many Caps in game...
But thats just my opinion. I think Caps should be STRONG.. fearful vessles.. that when you see them you say oww crap!.
Not, hey guys lets get 12 caps and go raid Alpha/Gamma, hey lets gets some bombers/fighters, bah screw that we will just slaughter everything with overwhelming Capspam... It is just not fun imo.. but thats me. I am not going to push what I see onto others..
I will suggest my opinion, and people are more then welcome to agree/disagree. Thats life.
Of course, I'm biased, seeing that I prefer flying caps over snubbies.
This is a game. A game "should" be fun for as many as possible. Jumping through hoops and living up to some other player's or faction's RP expectations are, more often than not, the exact opposite of "fun".
Caps are part of this server.
Caps are one of the reasons this server is popular.
Caps are the reason why the overwhelming majority of players even bothers to trade. Thus providing sport in game and on the forums.
Caps are here and freely usable within the framework of server rules. Suck it up and move on.
Of course, I'm biased, seeing that I prefer flying caps over snubbies.
This is a game. A game "should" be fun for as many as possible. Jumping through hoops and living up to some other player's or faction's RP expectations are, more often than not, the exact opposite of "fun".
Caps are part of this server.
Caps are one of the reasons this server is popular.
Caps are the reason why the overwhelming majority of players even bothers to trade. Thus providing sport in game and on the forums.
Caps are here and freely usable within the framework of server rules. Suck it up and move on.
... and since the pro-indie followers of a brand of liberalism so extreme that it makes Woodstock seem like a party for right-wing conservatives can't seem to grasp the fact that this is indeed a roleplaying server, and that their brand of fun usually doesn't equal fun for the party who is forced to deal with them on a regular basis, I'd like to suggest that we remove caps all together so that flawed arguments such as: "Dur I should get 2 use them becuz they r ther" doesn't get thrown around anymore.
' Wrote:... and since the pro-indie followers of a brand of liberalism so extreme that it makes Woodstock seem like a party for right-wing conservatives can't seem to grasp the fact that this is indeed a roleplaying server, and that their brand of fun usually doesn't equal fun for the party who is forced to deal with them on a regular basis, I'd like to suggest that we remove caps all together so that flawed arguments such as: "Dur I should get 2 use them becuz they r ther" doesn't get thrown around anymore.
Problem - solution
Sure Disco would then die,cause of ragequit,and those remaining would just have snub PvP all day as no one would bother trading to get money they would no longer need. Plus it has been said before. Caps are part of Discovery,and will always be part of Discovery.:haha:
' Wrote:... and since the pro-indie followers of a brand of liberalism so extreme that it makes Woodstock seem like a party for right-wing conservatives can't seem to grasp the fact that this is indeed a roleplaying server, and that their brand of fun usually doesn't equal fun for the party who is forced to deal with them on a regular basis, I'd like to suggest that we remove caps all together so that flawed arguments such as: "Dur I should get 2 use them becuz they r ther" doesn't get thrown around anymore.
Problem - solution
Dont touch my Osiris.
As,much as I hate lolwuts, I play in 3 areas.
Liberty
Omicrons
Dublin
I see alot of lolwuttery. As much as I hate it, I wont get rid of caps because of idiots.
If you dont like lolcaps, make a lolpirate roc wing and let the purging begin.
' Wrote:Sure Disco would then die,cause of ragequit,and those remaining would just have snub PvP all day as no one would bother trading to get money they would no longer need. Plus it has been said before. Caps are part of Discovery,and will always be part of Discovery.:haha:
1) Please recognize lighthearted comments when you see them, Ryoken. While it would be...somewhat nice, to remove caps, I doubt it would ever happen.
2) Must you pop up in every single thread that ever involves the words "official faction"? It's really getting annoying. Believe me, we're all familiar with your unfounded, zealous views on the indie-official relationship.
' Wrote:Sure Disco would then die,cause of ragequit,and those remaining would just have snub PvP all day as no one would bother trading to get money they would no longer need. Plus it has been said before. Caps are part of Discovery,and will always be part of Discovery.:haha:
Hmm... so you're saying all of the people who create such an excessive amount of complications for people who dare come here to roleplay would quit? Well... at least you are proficient in crippling your own argument.
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