Togo

[valen]

That is an excellent argument you made there Milan and Mjolnir. Togo's were orbiting New Tokyo you say? Doing stupid things you say?

Simply being there was a stupid act, which made absolutely no sense at all.

How about Blood Dragon cruisers that fly around Omega 11 or Omega 3? Does that qualify as being stupid? Oh wait, but then why isnt the Blood Dragon Cruiser SRP too?

And who said that makes sense? I haven't see anyone who claimed it to be so. Also, that Cruiser (there was only 1 from what I know) was told to return to Kusari space long ago. And ever since I haven't heard anyone complaining about such actions from BD cap ships. So let's weigh it down, 3 Togos orbiting New Tokyo, 1 BD cruiser in Omega. Which of the two fare as more stupid?

You are making exceptions based on your personal opinion and not on facts. If we were to follow that logic 80% of the Battleships in the mod would be SRP only.

It is a fact that in the past, BD caps were used to do foolish things, it is a fact that inRP, these ships are very very rare, it is a fact that the BD cannot support many of them and certainly not for open warfare. So I don't see what you're trying to say? If I'm not allowed to state my opinion here, then what is this thread for anyways?

This is just an attempt to put ]bd[ in more control then they already are.

Not really. It was controlled by the admins, still is actually. The ]bd[ doesn't have to control Togo distribution, but -someone- should.

Make it public. Factions shouldnt govern which people can fly caps. If someone wants to fly a cap he should be able to buy one and have fun with it. If he does something stupid, then punish him. Dont punish him before he even gets a chance. And if you are too lazy to watch over what people do in your caps, then how do you plan on taking care of all the requests for caps that you get? Give me a break.

If you're once again referring to the Omega 11 incident, it was but 1 cruiser, and it was told to return to Kusari. Still, I believe it will be somewhat easier to control Togo usage by going through the request than watching over all indie battleships. Those who want it, will do some work for it other than trading.

And please dont start ranting on how it isnt inRP to have 10 Togos. Its a damn game, and in case you havent noticed 80% of Discovery is not inRP. Deal with it.

So I guess if something is ooRP, everything should be? I disagree, especially about things that can actually be kept inRP.


And I'd like it to be noted, that this is simply my opinion as a player, and am not only speaking about Togo battleships, but Spyglasses as well (along with some other possible options). If the community feels that I'm saying this to give the ]bd[ more power, I claim it to be untrue and am willing to let a third party control the requests. Also, seeing how this has a poor chance of being implemented, I have no problem with them going public, and was simply stating my opinion. No need to get all worked up about it.

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[Cond0r]

There were 3 of them, and there still are. Just because I cbf to write about it through RP means and get the player punished for it (maybe he doesnt even know what the heck the bd are), doesnt mean they magically disappeared.

And you missed my point entirely. What I was trying to show with that example is that gameplay shouldnt be more limited because there are certain individuals that do stupid things (out of sheer boredom or just because they dont know).

The Togos that were doing said things could have simply been punished individually (or as a group for that matter), but just because it was easier, the decisions was made to limit the gameplay for everyone else as well.

So I guess if something is ooRP, everything should be? I disagree, especially about things that can actually be kept inRP.

"Everything" -could- be kept inRP, but it is not. If someone wants to fly a Togo, let them. He shouldnt be limited just because some person thought to himself one day "Hmmm, there shouldnt be more than 3 Togos around because I think that would be inRP".

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[valen]

Well look, I didn't remove them from public usage in the first place, they were removed out of RP reasons, much like the Spyglass. It wasn't magic that removed them, it was the dev team from an ooRP point of view, because they are super duper rare inRP. Simple as. Restricted gameplay is here because this is still a RP server, and we can't change that. As long as it stays that way, restrictions will always be present.

Now for all of those who know me, you included, I'm against elitism in every way. I was simply stating how I believe things would be made more logical, and perhaps the game more playable. Sure some people can't be forced to write a huge ass story to get one damn ship, but maybe that's a necessary risk?

However, as I said a few times before, if I were to choose from public Togos and SRP ones, I'd go for public any day of the week.

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[Cond0r]

You seem to think that when I say "people" I am referring to you, when Im really not. I was just generalizing to try and make my point. I wasnt trying to portrait you as an elitist : D

I am though, still under the impression that factions shouldnt be able to govern certain aspects of gameplay (like ship choice, in this case).

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[17:23:05] Mini Me: pls
[17:23:06] Mini Me: gtfo

[valen]

Ye, I get it man, np. I was also expressing my opinion. But as we both know it, it's either public or SRP. And I vote public in that case.

Also, check for lulz. Manly knockout

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[Prysin]

I'd believe that statement if it came from official ]bd[, since so far I haven't seen any problems with indies.
As player of the official faction owning Togo, I'd say to make them only ]bd[-approved or not public. I don't want to see any of BD caps anyway, since they're valuable and rare. And caps don't make activity.

Actually, akura is so stuck up in kusari RP that his word pretty much does tell whats gonna happen.

Well, BD cruisers are quite unattractive atm, so noone flies then.:P

And I know my opinion doesn't matter much within majority.

If BD indie caps would do something stupid, ]bd[ would have no power to deal with them (I assume), since I heard FR5's are heavily restricted atm.

FR5 are restricted because so many cried when official factions did what they previously was supposed to. Keep order and good RP... Nowdays official factions are but a shell of their former self. Their a title with no real power behind them.

Regardless of what you believe, the BD caps are public in the next version. The ]bd[ can choose to regulate them however they want.

Strictly, I hope.

I hope so too. ]BD[ is a faction that is roleplaying without stop. They dont lolwut around. Whenever i see a BD, theres bigger chance for some epic RP then meeting most of the other official factions.

Togo should be added as a tech permission thingy. If the BD faction allow you, you can use it. RAGARDLESS of your a Dragon or not. That ship, if it even is supposed to be more then one, is too rare to say "we got millions in our invisible storehouse for you to enjoy"

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[Ceoran]

I'd rather remove that ship altogether and grant the ]bd[ a pair of stolen/salvaged/whatever SRP Kusari battleships to avoid any discussion like the current one.

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My Stories Outcast laws and structures Join Samura|-

Go play the game, within the given limitations. That is how role play games are played. Not by trying to work around those limitations or whining about them.

[mjolnir]

It wasn't magic that removed them, it was the dev team from an ooRP point of view, because they are super duper rare inRP.

Actually as far as I remember they were removed from sale as per request by the official Blood Dragon faction then.

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[Akura]

Actually as far as I remember they were removed from sale as per request by the official Blood Dragon faction then.

Probably the Nova PG's doing.

The ]bd[ had to SRP theirs when they got official.

[Lucas_Fernandez]

I'd rather remove that ship altogether and grant the ]bd[ a pair of stolen/salvaged/whatever SRP Kusari battleships to avoid any discussion like the current one.

just.. LOL :lol: