Current Order Status

[McNeo]

My point about number one was that it isn't within the interests of all these seperate factions to start a war of words, weapons and general slander if their true goal is to become official, as participating in those activities will directly hinder their chances of becomming official.

Aside from that, fair enough. Can't really argue against 'I don't like it' after all...

[Cond0r]

@Tommeh:

First, please show me where I flame all other factions. Link me to their respective feedback threads and show me specific posts. I only "flame" as you say that what In my opinion is not right. Aha you cant show me any posts? Lets move on then. Now, you will notice that the 101st as you mentioned them, is getting some complaints, I have even been complaining myself, but it is not nearly as many complaints as at the Order|. Do I have a personal issue with the Order|? Why yes I do, do you know why? Because you are doing it wrong.

Secondly, you not being able to control your indies? Why is it just you? I dont see complaints in the [LN] feedback, I dont see complaints in the [RM] feedback. Blaming everything on your indies is not setting a right example. You have not been setting a right example since a long while ago, and you still continue going down this road. "Things need to be fixed in a week?" Dont make me laugh, these problems with the Order have been going on over half a year and you know it.

Thirdly, yes I keep going on about fun and how people take this game seriously. But you have to face one harsh truth, people (that I have spoken to, or me personally) have not had fun with Order|, the kind of fun and behavior that fits an official faction, in a long while.

You keep ranting on about how everyone is flaming Order| because of personal grudges, hatred, trolling, whining blablablabla. You keep ranting on about how you cant control anything, how you dont have time, not enough interested people to start a change blablabla. Now, Im telling you, as are many others here, that you need to take a step back and realize the following: Its not the world, its you.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

My point about number one was that it isn't within the interests of all these seperate factions to start a war of words, weapons and general slander if their true goal is to become official, as participating in those activities will directly hinder their chances of becomming official.

Aside from that, fair enough. Can't really argue against 'I don't like it' after all...

I see your point.

McNeo, you make good points.

No, you cant :cool:but hey, I'm open to ideas.

Thanks for the indie OHC idea support.

I already PM'd Rod.

And I cant believe I actually said who should be in it aside from n00bl3t X_X im insane.

-Jeremy


No, I did not say me.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[The.Wizard]

It would be cowardless and lame from us to step down now when there is much work,

This is EXACTLY what every single dictator in Earth history said just before the fall...

We should step down and allow someone else to take over?Who is willing to do that,tell me?

Allow to take over???? ORDER IS NOT YOUR PRIVATE PROPERTY! You are but ONE player in Order.
You have no more rights then any other Order player,they are not enemy's who're trying to take over dude,they are Order players as much as you are.And "who is willing??"...please don't make me started,please.
Order is fortunate enough to have many people with good initiatives and ideas,they are just being put aside all this time.

Maybe we should step down, and then wait for what? For someone remember to make new Order faction?
Where are they now? If there is some people that are willing to fix things, why don't they speak up now.

They spoke-look at that poll,and this is not the first time you can hear this,you just didn't listen when you should listen.
I don't know should you step down or not but that poll is screaming man...2/3 of the people disagree with you.Why do you and your guys think you're the only one capable to lead Order?

But now suddenly when Order is in question, everything needs to be fixed in a week.

You and your guys had full year dude...entire year to make Order stronger then it was when Kelt was leading...Order is now weaker then ever in last 2 years since i'm around.You all failed.All of you.Restrictions you forced upon Order are killing our faction.TCG| tried to play differently and make some changes,you FR-5'd us for that.What are you going to do now-FR-5 70% of Order?
And please don't start again with that "grudge and hatery" rubbish,i'm just ONE voice in that poll.
Further more,this whole thing doesn't concern TCG| whole that much-we have our own agenda and our own planes but that doesn't mean that i-we can't speak our minds here,we are all Order after all.

@Jeremy,TCG| will never be locked or involved in any kind of power struggle for anything,your prediction on that is quite dark...i see no reason why would any Order group do such thing...unless people get power-hungry in virtual reality,and that is logical absurd right there.Order| should be Order| and that's it,we don't have to ruin entire faction just because few leaders refuse to step down.We should be able to change leaders not entire faction.
And yes,that last remark about TCG| and God was not necessary mate,Waratah is not that scary at all when you get to know him,he's all heart&soul.:)

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[Jeremy Hunter]

@Wizard

I tend to go to the extremes so I feel so relieved later.

And might,as well.

In my pitch, if the indies are supported for thier own High,Command, I said a few people to be the voice of the indies.

-n00bl3t
-Andrew.The.Cool
-Current INDIE leader.of Cerberus
-Yes, Waratah.

The current unoffical faction heads.

Each has made a faction, TCG the most active, Cerberus the most diverse, 63rd the newest but promising.

This idea of an indie OHC is so the indies and the Ofgicals can be apart, but can still communicate with the Officals distancing away from the indies.

Plus, it would allow an indie command structure to be created, which can do THEIR best to leash the lolindies.

Thoughts?



No offence to McNeo.

C'mon people, open discussion, post your responses, ideas, etc!!!!!

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[McNeo]

I dont think it would be fair if I gave my full opinion on those you nominated for the position. Suffice to say I think that combination of individuals is a toxic addition to any gaming community, but going deeper into the issue may ellicit a lovely argument that does not fit in to this thread. Though, I'm not sure who leads Cerberus now so I was referring to the other three.

A more objective problem may be that an indie HC that forms from the indie factions will neither represent nor hold any real power when dealing with truely independent Order players, which form the majority of most problems. In my opinion, the aim of an independent HC should be to gain consensus from those that cause the most issues, otherwise action here is an exercise in futility. This is the hardest part, and generally why independent HCs tend not to form naturally.

- A problem linked to this is, in order to sufficiently penalise those who go against the grain, close coordination with the official faction is required to effect punishment, such as FR5 etc. But, this can directly cause the perception that the independent HC is merely a puppet of the official HC, and thus discourage individuals from cooperating further. This kind of 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' problem is what leads me to suggest again, distancing from independents in general (excepting those that come to you looking for cooperation and help).

Edit: Why would I be offended? o_O

[Chapaev]

@Wizard

I tend to go to the extremes so I feel so relieved later.

And might,as well.

In my pitch, if the indies are supported for thier own High,Command, I said a few people to be the voice of the indies.

-n00bl3t
-Andrew.The.Cool
-Current INDIE leader.of Cerberus
-Yes, Waratah.

The current unoffical faction heads.

Each has made a faction, TCG the most active, Cerberus the most diverse, 63rd the newest but promising.

This idea of an indie OHC is so the indies and the Ofgicals can be apart, but can still communicate with the Officals distancing away from the indies.

Plus, it would allow an indie command structure to be created, which can do THEIR best to leash the lolindies.

Thoughts?



No offence to McNeo.

C'mon people, open discussion, post your responses, ideas, etc!!!!!

indie command structure??? indie is indie. an individual, nothing more or less.
faction, official or not is something else. no big difference between them.

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[Jeremy Hunter]

Heh, I know.

But remember, I have no say. I barely have it. I,can say who I think, but doesnt mean it will happen. Im a major Indie, with one Order| tagged ship. Corporal rank.

I just thought those who lead unofficals would know how to run a HC.

But unless Officals,are,asked to come back, their what we have.

Now, what your saying is...kinda,what I intended. The indie HC would be there for those who accept it. If those who cause problems dont accept it, then there is nothing we can do.


Now, I can see what you mean about a puppet.

But this indie HC would only be made if the Officals distance themselves from the indies.

If they do, who will do anything to keep order?

The Indie HC would only have power if the officals faction okays this though.

They ok it, distance, officals and indies can use the two HCs to communicate and whatnot.

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Jeremy Hunter]

indie command structure??? indie is indie. an individual, nothing more or less.
faction, official or not is something else. no big difference between them.

Yeah, no difference.

You dont like it?

Oh well.

Someone wants to try and form something so the Order| can distance themselves, but can have the Indie HC deal with indies.

Oficcals deal with officalls, independants with independants.

Thats what I mean.

Sorry for double posting.


I would also like to add this is an IDEA, nothing more. I only PM'd Rod earlier, then voiced here. Maybe not the best idea *sigh*

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May you ever walk in the Light, Shizune.

[Shiza]

That "Indie HC" sounds to me like you want to transfer your responsibility to someone else, and get rid of the problem on easiest way.

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I am shrinking in this potion! Shall I disappear?