' Wrote:In addition, I've talked with Vladamir before about Scorpions. While I agreed that we would use the Scorpion less often (which we did and continue doing), I made myself very clear in that we reserve the right to use the ship when we like and how we like. End of story.
I'm not sure why you posted this other than, maybe, gaining a +1 and trying to get more responses to this thread, but situations where we have this many Scorpions around are very, very, very, VERY rare.
For those not aware, this picture was taken during an event for Stoat's story. To make that more clear, you can see the Scorpions here:
Regardless, there are no rules prohibiting the use of ships in this manner (I.e, in massive numbers). If you don't like running into Scorpions, then either run away (a sure way to end up dead anyways) or *gasp* role play with us! Act like a human actually would. Be scared, be curious, be SOMETHING other than silently tapping Shift + W or saying nothing to us.
Because you still have ****loads of scorpions. See, yesterday it was 2 scorps and one bomber to kill traders. Why? Do you need scorps to kill traders? Really? Why can we use fighters for that and you need gb that equals a cruiser in firepower to shoot traders? But anyway, it's not about killing traders and miners because, frankly, i don't exactly care. And then it was 3 scorps and 1 bomber to fight fighters and bomber. Yeah, sure, limiting scorpion numbers my arse.
What i care about is this. Let's work with this line by line.
>If you don't like running into Scorpions, then either run away (a sure way to end up dead anyways) or *gasp* role play with us! Act like a human actually would. Be scared, be curious, be SOMETHING other than silently tapping Shift + W or saying nothing to us.
What do you think is proper roleplay when you meet the "unmanned disposable drone causing pain to humans" for the 2657567634536345245345534s time? Human would not be scared or curious, human would go "sigh" and start shooting. If you want to RP, bring actual wild ships with infected humans onboard that can talk. How the hell are traders or not traders supposed to "RP" with scorps that go **nonsense** **purge** if not by shooting?
Example. I was flying around on SCRA fighter with other guys a few months ago when we met a scorp. Usual **rp* ensued. When scorp was dried up, however, it stopped moving or shooting. Yay! Let's have some arpee! So we started flying around, thinking (out loud and in open comms, like everybody on disco does for some reason) about towing it to base for research and maybe removing his weapons just in case it wakes up and whatnot. What did this wild do? Well, he sat still for a while then tried to cheapshot one of us. Silently, of course. It's an unmanned drone after all, zzzz.
>but situations where we have this many Scorpions around are very, very, very, VERY rare.
Yeah, 3 scorps and bomber - not a single goddamn wraith! - is surely a good, balanced force.
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So yeah, to put it simply. Most factions around, official or not, tend to 1) use fighters above all other things and use other things only when nessesary to counter ships of another class 2) engage in duels if way too superiour and nothing special happened 3) try to maintan fair number of people involved in the fight (yeah "try" to, obviously sometimes people fail at it, i myself do it sometimes, you can't see everything in the heat of battle, but at least people generally try to) 4) fight to the end if batlle is at least partially winnable; etc. etc.
Wilds stand aside from that general practice. Actually, Keepers too, i guess it's not the right place to discuss it, but since some people are here talking about their non-wild (i assume it means those keepers scorps which is really retarded) 8 nom turret scorps . I see more interesting gameplay interactions from pretty much everything, even corsairs in gamma. At least those have official factions who try to engage in usual fighter battles and keep hordes of ossies and legates in bay. Wilds don't have such official faction, it just looks like it's a bunch of legates from gamma shrinked to the scorp size, i.e. bunch of indies. See:
1) Wilds almost never use fighters. I guess it's because you're bad in them generally, but the answer to that is not scorps. See, i was bad in fighters too (now i'm average, nothing more), so i had practice. That's what you need to do, either practice or get new people or both, not rely on scorpion spam.
2) Well this one is funny just because wraith is such a rare sight in wild raids that there's almost no possibility for a fighter duel, but well, you fly bombers more than wraiths for some weird reason, so why not engage in bomber duels? You see, we once had this situation: two bombers of yours fight our bomber and fighter while we have 2 more fighters flying around because we try to keep things fair, obviously your guys get dry. So then one of you just runs away, another one tries to too, but got cded and offered a duel by our bomber. His answer? Thrust until shot down. What's the point?
3) Well this one is no-brainer, as new sanction titles say. In this very thread in the last 12 hours you talked about 2 scorps and bomber engaging single bomber (and failing to kill it, obviously, because it's not what any sensible non-scorp-obsessed fighter-capable pilot would do) and didn't feel anything bad about it.
4) You always run from fights you think are not in your favour instead of trying to fight. And i don't mean only with snubs when they're being seen, those are rare sights indeed, it's even with "disposable unmanned drones intent on harming humans", i.e. scorps.
I've yet to see you having some really interesting RP. Mostly it's either trader/mining killing squads or scorp squads intent on shooting everything. You don't use RM craft for any kind of diversions, you don't really use mindrape for anything but "I'm RM MND, i'm not wild, RM, fight by our side". There are so many opportunities but you don't use them. Yeah, i guess wild iff kinda sucks, but if you mount all human guns you still can pass for human for those who play along or don't look too closely, it just requires some effort. To be honest, Wilds look more like a closed club of people who just know together and some of them happened to be in wilds so they just got everyone else in to chill around.
I'd say more but i'm bored already. What do i want to say is this: your faction has huge problems you either don't want admit ot fix. I personally don't have a problem with wilds, , so don't say i'm biased, i even helped them ingame when i met some wilds in snubs and we had a pew but then 6574565345345 lolwut bunters jumped in. So without any bias after some time of interaction with wilds i must state that i frankly don't think it's good enough for being official faction with terrorist id and closed recruitment. To be honest, i think your overall attitude is not good enough even for some unofficial faction. That's not for me to decide, of course, but it my opinion came to that during some last months even despite some attempts made on both sides and that's a shame but i guess we both can live with it..
' Wrote:We have been nothing but kind to you up until you said our RP was "crap".
You get what you pay for.
Our recruitment is invite only. You want to get in, then show you mean it.
Tell me how por favor. Or point me in the right direction?
@Nadezhda- I never use fighters.... Do I suck at RP too?
On another note, the one Keeper I met I enjoyed fighting to my death just fine:DI know yall are Wild n' all, but I 'get' your RP, i think other folks are just mad they got shot...
Dear God, 5 full pages. They have been using scorps, and they will continue using scorps. Why? Because they can. Its as simple as that. I dont see how 5 full pages of feedback and arguing will change that.
Scorps making trouble? Get a Heimdall. Deal with it:cool:
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Just because you dont have the brain to understand nomads doesnt mean its not a coherent sentance.
Just because you dont have the brain to distinguish intelligence and grammar faults, doesnt mean the arguments you are addressing are not valid. And since you accuse other people of being brainless because of bad grammar, I suggest you check your own grammar as well, y'know, so you dont look stupid afterwards.
If you cant restrain yourself from calling other people brainless I suggest you find someone else to address feedback in what appears to be your feedback thread. Oh, and someone should probably tell you that the Wilde ID is not a "Kill everything while breaking the rules" ID, or are you too brainless to understand that?
I read this thread every day. I see more and more Q_Q every time.
DEAL WITH IT.
They have Scorpions. They will use them. Heck, if you Q_Q'ers were in the Wilde YOU would use Scorpions. So stop Q_Qing. Nothing will change, and doesn't need to change. They are Wilde, they want to eat your brains.
' Wrote:I read this thread every day. I see more and more Q_Q every time.
DEAL WITH IT.
They have Scorpions. They will use them. Heck, if you Q_Q'ers were in the Wilde YOU would use Scorpions. So stop Q_Qing. Nothing will change, and doesn't need to change. They are Wilde, they want to eat your brains.
I don't care about the scorps, I care about the fact they sent 2 scorps and 1 bergelmir after my roc, giving RP you will find the most common LNS- dreads. I mean, just... I had several RP interactions with you. In the last one, in my eyes, you lost my respect for you as "elite" faction as much as someone care if any at all.
' Wrote:You should feel privileged to have such a high quality faction logging in just to interact with your faction.
:3
On a side note, Malenka, the complaint is even not about Scorpions as they are, it's about combination of powerful technology and roleplay justification considered poor by a number of players - and a player attitude, once again considered unhealthy.
On an even more side note, good to see you back, Brad.
' Wrote:I don't care about the scorps, I care about the fact they sent 2 scorps and 1 bergelmir after my roc, giving RP you will find the most common LNS- dreads. I mean, just... I had several RP interactions with you. In the last one, in my eyes, you lost my respect for you as "elite" faction as much as someone care if any at all.
They were probably pissed off at you. Maybe you were sniffing around the Omegas. They are very protective of glowing purple coconuts.
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[20:44] Avalanche (Greg/Pharos): Yeah, I ****ing know serbian.
[20:45] Domjan1911: YUGOSLAVIAN YUGOSLAVIAN!
' Wrote:What is insufficient roleplay? Did you not read my post? We do not need to give you our life stories when we run into you. Especially if we suspect there is a confrontation coming.
You know what, I wasn't going to say anything, but you pulling my nose like that I can't let go. What you're saying is complete and utter crap. EVERY faction, EVERY ID has to role-play prior to an engagement. What we see from you, is a Nomad version of "Engaging", which is -NOT- sufficient according to the rules. Nowhere in the rules does it say "if you think a confrontation is coming, be the one to attack first by simply saying engaging". Furthermore, let me address some things you said.
Quote:If people want RP, we can tell.
So basically you have the right and the power to judge if someone is willing to role-play, and if not, you're allowed a one line engagement notice?
Quote:But when people show up and fly in random circles, don't expect any mercy.
Flying in circles is equal to a death penalty? My God man, you're full of it.
Quote:If you don't like that, then maybe you, as well as others, should change things and actually RP with us instead of showing up and expecting us to tell you our life stories until your friends show up to help you (as seen in the same screen shot where you react to our presence with "Ja!").
This I like the most. We should change our role-play in order to get more fairness from you? Get off your high horse, you're not that special and nobody has the right to ask that of us. You can't go around treating everyone like your inferiors just because you don't like how you're treated by some random individuals. You're an invite only faction, with an ID that allows borderline sanctionable role-play. Learn to deal with it, or don't play at all.
And if someone acknowledges your presence, doesn't mean you can attack him by simply saying "End the Hessian". Oh, and do I really have to mention that all of your members are acting cocky when they're clearly in the wrong here? Try a different approach at times, admit your mistakes, and maybe you'll find out that people will treat you differently.
To add to this, I don't care about Scorpions. You were given such ships, go ahead and use them. The problem is, you were given such powerful ships to compensate for the fact that you're hunted and engaged with minimal role-play some times. So in the end, you still play like douches, give minimal role-play (in this case worthy of a sanction in my opinion) and still fly your Scorpions. All in all, a big ass LOL.
On a side note, Malenka, the complaint is even not about Scorpions as they are, it's about combination of powerful technology and roleplay justification considered poor by a number of players - and a player attitude, once again considered unhealthy.
On an even more side note, good to see you back, Brad.
There is no need for roleplay justification. They are humans infected by nomads. They hate humans, and want to kill them. That's their RP. In fact, if we ARE people that are bound to play by RP, they wouldn't even need to say ***human..tresspass..die***. They could just shoot them silently.
But they don't. They try to RP with people, and if the people go "OMG WILDE HLP!", they WILL get shot down.
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[20:44] Avalanche (Greg/Pharos): Yeah, I ****ing know serbian.
[20:45] Domjan1911: YUGOSLAVIAN YUGOSLAVIAN!
Since we are playing, shooting silently is a bad tone. Not even because an official faction is expected to be a much more interesting antagonist than your random player turning "OMG *** HALP". It's only about that. On a side note, it looks more like Wild players turned into "OMG HUMANS HALP" in that incident.
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