The Mollys + Post #109.

[Jack_Henderson]

4) The whole stuff with leaving proves my point- you and your organisation are interested and driven only by Profit. When you clearly got the point that we are not MMC and |IMG wont mine in our field almost for free you packed you bags and left to mine somewhere else where you can make more profit unharmed.

Wrong, if you knew me and IMG| roleplay you'd see that we are far from "only money". The Dublin-NY stuff is far from the best thing IMG can do.

We went after the Guildmasters decided that we don't like shooting Mollys, or allying with Bretonians against Molly, as we do not think that this is what IMG rp is like. So as you pushed us hard down that war path, we left to avoid doing things that we regard as nonsensical.

Don't make it easy for yourself and say "Only money makers", because it's not true. I didn't write tons of diplomacy and played countless hours in Dublin, tried hard to rebuild my favourite system after the mining desaster because of money. If you don't believe it, forum search "Jack_Henderson" and look how many Dublin Comm messages I wrote.

5) I guess I was the only one who believed that |IMG would agree to treaty that allows them to make profit but as well satisfies the other side of the fence. I am also disappointed. You can't eat your cake, and have it too, learn to cut your profits, as the same way that I jump on the people's heads about flying Sabres as Mollys because it fits more in RP, not because I like it.

Learn to respect the other side's wishes, too. That would mean you could have answered to some of my proposals, but no. It was "down the road to hostility", and: fast!. Read the chatlogs of today, if you don't believe it. That was a peace talk that [M] invited IMG to.

7) Linkus I know that in Vanilla Mollys were only depending on the IMG an the Junkers, we are happy that it is not Vanilla any-more. The situation is much different, organisations involved are different, with different capabilities. Mollys can trade with Hessians, Line Hackers, Junkers, Rogues and any kind of independent smugglers and traders, hell I am also quite sure that we can make something even with the gallic unlawfuls..... We can use them all to ship our gold and we as well can organise our own convoys to do so, nothing changes for us actually as in-game terms or in-rp terms.

Yeah, just another case where a small, new faction is completely independent, never needs anybody (if it doesn't fit them at the moment), they have everything, do everything on their own... great.

I liked the IMG-Molly-BAF-BMM situation in Dublin because it was unique. But okay. Move back to a black-white shooting-Dublin (unlawfuls vs. lawfuls). There will be no activity, as you eradicated BMM miners in less than a week, then switched to more or less open hostility against IMG, just to jump on the first real chance to go fully hostile and start pewing.



I do not contend that the IMG-MMC treaty was not ideal. And we were working on it.

What I cannot understand is that you hurried down the path to hostility that fast. Because, frankly, of course the IMG will not bend over backwards at your first sign of emerging as a faction. And they will not like you charging 3-5 times as much. And they will hate being shot at by people you do support. So... what do you expect my roleplay would be? We tried to use MMC to soften you. We tried to neutralise the extremists. Of course we do! That's roleplay.

I always tried to keep the way back to reasonable solutions open (but your side seemed to love to exaggerate every roleplay action into something you could use to push for hostility). Just an example: I guess I answered between 20 and 40 Hood incidents that involved Mollys misbehaving. Did we go hostile? Did we turn you from friendly to hostile? Or to neutral? Or to unfriendly? No. It was small incidents, good fun and sometimes a nuisance, but NEVER something big. We moved to Arranmore ONCE. With a good reason after all the violence caused by the indies. And you play it that way. If the world was fair, I should be able to bombard Arranmore at least 20 more times and then you could draw up a Revised Arranmore Protocol (and still remain friends/neutrals). Do you see the difference in judging acts that are comparable?

I told you that the standoffs and shootings were limited, explained the moves and the reasons. And from the Skype conversations and the often playful mood, I gathered that we were fine and that it was controlable

We had all these discussions and OORP ideas of how to do it.

And then... it takes a "peace-meeting" and 1 O'Reily starting to fire without provocation to cause war between Molly and IMG.

[M] alter their diplomacy at that very moment to fully red without declaring anything on the forums, all I get is a 1-line skype pm. You do not even try to avoid it, while I tried in all the meeting to answer your hundreds of chaotic questions in a serious and diplomatic way. But no one on the [M] side seemed interested... you seemed like you were looking for an excuse to move on. You were given it, again by an indie. Here we are, at war.

But we will not wage war against Molly. That's unlogical from IMG| point of view. Because we remember that Mollys and IMG emerged from the same roots, from exploited workers. You took up arms. We did not. It's still a worker's, small person's movement. The IMG is also not the greedy corporation but a loose guild of miners that hate to be exploited because of their weakness.

Today you tell me IMG are "foreigners" in Dublin and we should get out as we don't belong there. *just shakes his head*

Ah, let's leave it at that.

I voiced my criticism and I think you cannot blame the rapid deterioration on IMG. It was your path, you wanted to go to conflict, you went there directly without caring for other opportunities or for the voices of moderation. [M] exaggerated everything to the extreme (e.g. your treatment of MMC, an irp economic asset to Mollys and not "traitors") and so you can't be surpirsed if the Guild does not want to be the target of Mollys.

We are no war faction. If we are confronted by war (and thus our main task becomes impossible to do), we move on - something the IMG can do as we have more regions to go to. So we went.

It's a pity that all the roleplay activity in Dublin will be wasted, but it's no use running from or fighting against the people that in my understanding of Molly-IMG relations should not even be thinking seriously of being hostile. Almost completely ignoring/destroying the roleplay that proceeded your faction start (or at least treating the players/their rp with respect) and ignoring the lore (that is the only unifying aspects that define how Sirius works) is something that I do not agree with.

Andy - IMG|

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