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An interesting argument on semantics.

I'm not sure how it is semantics. The two words have completely different meanings.

First off I will say I have no problem with Zoners interpreting that they will get the message, but then so will many others in the same way.
I guess it all comes down to how you interpret this.
Hmm so if the Coalition has any civilians that may operate within any of the houses at any time, like say a trading company that supplies them, they are addressed as well.
Same for the Colonial Republic which also has civilians who can operate in many houses.
One minute Zoners claim to be outside the houses and the next they claim to be civilians within.
You can of course stick to the argument, and in a lot of ways I can agree with that, but so can many others and hence open to Zoners in that way, means open to many others.

We can go on twisting this all day long and it will remain an argument of semantics.

The key thing you are missing here, that I think you are over looking on purpose is that Zoners are civilians. It doesn't matter if we are inside our outside of the houses. At our core Zoners are civilians. The message is easily received by Zoners as they inhabit a planet within a house. Namely the one in Pennsylvania. You know, Erie. They also have a seat within Bretonia's legislation, unless that has changed. So yes, Zoners are civilians both inside and outside of the houses.

I'm not twisting anything and it isn't an argument of semantics. You clearly don't understand that civilian and citizen are two words with very different meanings.

I can be a civilian, but not a citizen. As I was when I vacationed in Germany.
I can be a citizen, but not a civilian. As I was when I was in the US Army.
I can be a citizen and a civilian. As I am right now.

By your logic, any message beamed to a Freeport is open game for all. While I don't think that everyone replying was meta-gaming as Skullz didn't make who it was directed at very clear, I do think people were meta-gaming when they took information from text that he clearly indicated was directed at one character. I honestly don't think some of it was intentional, but it was done nonetheless.

In this post Sirius Robotics using information from this post. Even though the information he used was clearly directed only to Richard Connors.

Breaking up an individual post in this manner as to avoid having to make multiple posts is common here on the forums, so please don't try to say it is confusing.

This post feed from Sirius Robotics post, but still used information from a post it shouldn't have had access to.

In this post Skullz addresses three people (two of which meta-gamed information for their previous post), speaking about the Colonials. At this point, he has acknowledged that they read a message not intended for them, yet didn't speak up. Kinda his fault on that.

In this post a player uses information from this post as well as knowing about the Colonial Republic's rejection (which could be attributed to the back and forth of unencrypted messages by the VE.

As I said, I don't feel this was intentional nor done with a negative connotation, but it does read of meta-gaming as we've seen in the past. They used information from stuff they shouldn't have been able to see. It is far from everyone though.

EDIT for post below:

I will just say that I may have been slightly to blame for the corporations when I posted that I was attending, I did make it clear I was representing the Kusari government as opposed to Samura but that was probably missed.

As to the Zoner issue, all of my personal concerns about that were brought up above, if they are to be included as civilians in that sentence, then almost everyone is.

About the number of Zoner reps, that is a purely InRP issue, I can understand that they are varied and want to represent themselves.
The concerns brought up by others was also an InRP response as they realised that one group would have nearly a third of all representatives while goups larger than double the size or even three times the size or more would be limited to one, even when some do indeed have concerns as varied as those of Zoners.
So yeah that seems to be part of the breakdown, but a part that was perfectly within RP to have.

I agree the manner in which he encrypted it and directed it to certain factions was confusing. However, just because you got a message via a third party (that would be how the CRs and SCRA would have gotten it) doesn't mean you've the ability to reply to said message. Again, not intentional meta gaming, but such actions have been frowned upon before.

As for the Zoner stuff that was in role play. It was very enjoyable. Kudos to you and Zelot for the banter.

Edit: @ Skullz - Calm down and don't do exactly what you complained others were doing.

@ Everyone else

Quit riding the guys butt for a freaking minute. You are not helping by jumping on him for each and every little mistake he makes. Its mean and immature. You're only causing him to become more annoyed and frustrated, thus probably making more little mistakes.

I think I'll go bring the Corsairs some food now. Good way to relax. Cheers.

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