Techmix-nerf and factions which are unique in RELYING on techmixing

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So it's ok that others take a nerf to roleplay out nonfaction tech but not for your faction? Wow, what blatant hypocrisy. The fact that you have been doing it for years isn't a defense, it's an indictment. "But Judge, I've been embezzling for so many years, shouldn't it be a part of my salary now?" It's about time the official factions got the chop. You cannot sit there and tell indipendant and freelance players, "No, you can't have our special and revered tech because it's our pride our identity and more special than you." and then complain when your favorite faction is told they can't min max thier pvp by using other factions super special identity stuff. It doesn't matter what window dressing you throw on it afterwords when you flat out admit that you design all your pvp around non-faction tech.

No, it is NOT okay, I have been saying that it is NOT okay even if the system looks to be OKAY and all NICE, I'm saying it ain't okay because it doesn't take into account what previously was there, what was worked for by anyone, what people previously had acquired etcetera into account. It doesn't take the HF into account, it doesn't take the SCRA into account, it doesn't take the guy with the only white-cell permitted Aquilon into account, it doesn't take Joe whitecell boat A with whitecell shooters B - which Joe had to work for so he could acquire and use them - into account. It looks at those and says: All that history and RP and whatever you did with it or how old it is DOES NOT MATTER. You get treated like everyone else.

So I ask: Is it actually "fair" to not take account peoples' previous efforts? Be they faction or otherwise, I'm sure they invested time and effort into getting their stuff, and now they'll get all their stuff nerfed even though they did work for it and all, just because? Do you know how much RP and time people invested into getting XYZ as the tech-chart permitted? This system's not only just going to limit some let's say "tech-abuse" or rather nerf that, it also screws with all the legit non-abusing stuff. Why?

That is the whole intent of this FLHook. To remove the benefit in PvP prowess that begging tech elsewhere gives you. To drop that down to the level you'd get as if you were using generic civilian tech if the combination is a white cell.
On a red on the other hand it's meant to make it completely unplayable - to stop lolwuts from using an Odin with Salamancas and Krakens on a Xenos ID, or other idiotic combinations like that. When players realise the system itself prevents those combinations from being useful they'll change them into something more sane on their own and that'll drop workload on the admins.

Oh, and at the original post: If there are any factions that have been created for the sole purpose of techmixing (not sure if that's implied or not) then those don't have a frickin' right to exist in a roleplay environment, period.

The old system had been in place for like over two and a half years. Do you understand that? A lot of time and effort by people went into acquiring or reaquiring what they had or have now, and you're slapping some arbitrary nerf on it "for the greater good", not taking any and all effort into account.

And no, the HF hasn't been created FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE of techmixing, but it had to BUILD AROUND TECHMIXING because the HF DOES NOT AND WILL NOT HAVE A COMPLETE SHIPLINE. And who are you to say what has a -right- to exist and doesn't? You have no right whatsoever to deny the HF or any other faction the right to exist, we play here too, we are part of this community, we play the game and do RP just as everyone else. Who are you to suggest that you'd deny us the right to exist and on what grounds? Because we had to work with what we had, that is no tech of our own, and actually DID so successfully? And now we've to kick all that into trash? All the work, time, effort, history behind it, anything?

Okay. Then YOU give the SCRA a light Battleship to replace their Osirises. YOU give the HF shipclasses to replace each used kind of ship. YOU give the LWB and Bundschuh their own shiplines. YOU make it so EVERYONE who has characters mentioned in the tech-permissions thread can continue functioning as before without some arbitrary nerf AT THEIR COST, while YOU ensure the "balance and fairness" of that system of yours, a system that is kicking the HF's balance down the drain.

Well... you can also see as equality giving the HF the means to stand up to the LN in battles like they can right now, rather than take away that ability. The thing is, while the techmix nerf does indeed make everyone equal in regards to tech mixing, it rather misses the point when it comes to the capabilities of each faction. Taking into account how much the current balance favours combined fleet tactics (to the point where a good composition combined fleet can defeat opponents far more skilled than them in equal numbers - by simple virtue of counters) denying the HF - a faction whose primary (and arguably only) goal is to fight with the LN (unlike the pirate factions who don't have capital access, those can also pirate, smuggle, etc.) seems like denying them the means to conduct their battles and roleplay effectively.

While I support the new system going into place, I also think we should start off far more liberally with it than it is planned to, restricting as we go along rather than have everything restricted from the get go and then unrestrict as we go. It's very much a question of methods as much as it is a question of means. It also lets factions like HF prove that this particular thing is needed for their RP.