Techmix-nerf and factions which are unique in RELYING on techmixing

[Blighter]

You don't NEED a light battleship. Lots of factions don't have one. HF has the spyglass, that's already far more than most factions have. If you WANT another you can take the hit, just like everybody else. That is the very essence of fair.

The whole point of the new system is to make it so that people CAN'T continue to function as before. Now tech-mixing is truely going to be about the rp, not the pvp. If you want to roleplay a HF in a rogue destroyer you still can, you just aren't going to kick seven kinds of tail with your tech-mix doing it.

This system even makes more sense than the previous system. It used to be, "You can't use this cuz we said so, nyah." Now it's, "You can use this but it has a different set of system specs and doesn't mesh well with your current systems software and hardware." At least that is a plausible roleplay reason.

You do realize that if people can't continue to function as before, they'll have to find ways to function and invest work and time and effort into that again just because of some random change? And you do realize that for some factions this may not end up discouraging them to mix at all, but to compensate for nerf-induced drawbacks by numbers? Nerf the HF's fleet and it has to potentially double in size to function properly, this means: More people, more coordination, more work, MORE CAPS, and frankly I don't see why the faction should have to do that when it would be content if its current junk stayed as it was rather than having to resort to full-scale capspam.


Oh, and you know what, you try RPing a Military force that fights against the Liberty Navy on a daily basis without a functioning fleet to back up the pvp-part of your RP, then you can tell me that the HF doesn't need the junk it has, but I'll just say that one kind of Battleship is no suitable replacement for three different kinds of Battleship, nor is it a suitable replacement for a Battlecruiser, one kind of Cruiser and two kinds of Destroyers. This system's looking like it'll by the nerf prevent us from utilizing anything other than brute-force and mass-numbers tactics, and for example in the SCRA's case prevents them from having working heavy-hitters to back up their Destroyer force. I'm sure that's pretty nice, in an environment like we're having here.

Taking into account how much the current balance favours combined fleet tactics (to the point where a good composition combined fleet can defeat opponents far more skilled than them in equal numbers - by simple virtue of counters) denying the HF - a faction whose primary (and arguably only) goal is to fight with the LN (unlike the pirate factions who don't have capital access, those can also pirate, smuggle, etc.) seems like denying them the means to conduct their battles and roleplay effectively.

But okay, let's say HF for example doesn't need any of it. Let's just toss out all the history and age and all the RP and all that other crap out of the window, then I'm myself looking at how to set-up a raiding force against say 3x LDs, 2x LABCs and 2x LSCs.

Nowadays I'd look and say: Alright, we'll take the Venny (Ranseur), the Libertine (Spyglass), Damo and Excal (Siege Cruisers WHICH WE CAN NOT AND DO NO WANT TO MIX-TECH ON, THEY'RE PURE LIBERTY TECH, NOT MIXED), and three Bombers.

That's 2x BS, 2x Cruiser, 3x Bomber, 7 ships, vs:
3x BS, 2x BC, 2x Cruiser, another 7 ships which have way more raw firepower to boot.

Or I could try to do it with two Gunboats, the Incursus, the Venny and the Last Sunrise along with the Abaddon as backup. Or I could go Incy, Venny, Libertine, Damocles and Excal. Or Damo, Excal, Iblis, Abbey, Sunrise and two Gbs. Or or or.

From then on, I'd see about utilizing TACTICS to isolate some enemies and then torch them, and then I'd see about getting a real big fight going. This is what you do in Discovery PvP 24/7 if you are facing otherwise superior opposition, you use your brain.

In .86 with that nerf, I will look at 90% of the fleet being nerfed and less effective, in other words I can simply have those ships get scrapped and them being tossed in the trash. So I have to get more ships of the types I can use, which are Spyglasses and the new Gunboat. In the same scenario, this is what I'd do against 3x LDs, 2x LABCs and 2x LSCs.

Get four Spyglasses and three Bombers on. Bombers alone will take too long a time to kill that fleet. So will Gunboats.
I don't have forces to mix-match and I've nothing I can really experiment with. So I have to do what I can do, and that is brute-force everything.

No tactics involved, no major thinking involved, I lack a flexible fleet, I only have GBs with a limited damage output at my disposal, and it takes too long for GBs to destroy Battleships, of which I'm facing three. So I've no other sensible option left. I can play the game of "isolate, then kill", but why should I? Why should I adhere to the RP of the HF being few in number with a small rag-tag fleet, when said fleet's gone down the drain for the most part, and when I can get the same result I'd get with utilizing fancy tactics by just utilizing raw force? My flexibility is non-existent compared to what was previously there, and now I have to take advantage of what I have which is NOT nerfed. And that part is infinite Spyglasses.

Okay, but not really. My tactical option's limited to brute-forcing everything with large amounts of Battleships, rather than utilizing a relatively small selection of highly-specialized ships as it best suits their role. That's boring. That's also lame. And it ain't fun. Challenge is what makes the PvP fun. Challenge isn't bred out of monotony, it is bred out of diversity. Be it the Corsair Mamorus a Hessian suddenly, unexpectedly encounters on the battlefield or the sudden third Lib Dread that shows up after you had one Cruiser and a Battleship already sink two while your half-Solaris BS is now dry on BB and all that. That's fun.

Being limited to only one really viable option where you previously had multiple different ones available isn't fun. It gets old very fast. It breaks the HF's core game-play aspect in more ways than one, versatility is one of those ways. It makes doing our job (our job inRP being to wage a WAR), boring. Stale. Same old over and over.

quality > quantity

The above is what I personally prefer too, but when I've no quality, I have to resort to quantity.



As for EVERYONE who keeps stressing this "Disco is a RP server thing":

Can engage and destroy any lawful Liberty ships at will, excluding ships belonging to Liberty Corporations, Independent Traders and Civilians,
Cannot ally with any lawful pilots, factions or organizations,
Can demand contraband from lawful and unlawful traders and smugglers and destroy ships if they refuse to comply in a gunboat or smaller ([[cruisers and battleships may only demand allied pilots)
Cannot trade, but can escort Independent Traders, Civilians and ships of Liberty Corporations
Cruisers and Battleships cannot leave Liberty space and the bordering Independent Worlds,
Cannot use any Transport that has more than 3,600 cargo.

Allowed ships: Fighters, Freighters, Gunboats, Cruisers, Battleships, and Transports.

Our RP >IS< PvP. Our RP >IS< to shoot things. Our RP >IS< to generate blue messages.

Our RP IS NOT to Pirate. Our RP IS NOT to trade. Our RP IS NOT to mine.

Our RP >IS< to SHOOT. Then shoot more. Shoot so much that our guns melt and you can see the glow of our barrels on the horizon.

We play this role, because we like it. And now I will say one more thing for the HF: As this has been the CORE of our RP for years, we ultimately HAD TO change our way of working and functioning in THIS AREA around whatever ships we do actually HAVE so we could do our RP which is SHOOTING as effective as possible. Now that we've most of our stuff sorted and are looking towards expanding, towards branching out, towards the other fun stuff you can do so we can be less shooting-heavy, our shooting gets broken.





Oh and Jinx, it makes sense that a Military faction like the SCRA or HF, they wouldn't properly maintain and keep, in the SCRA's case, their ONLY TWO BATTLESHIPS EVER in a working 100% condition? Military factions as the SCRA or the HF would totally NOT have figured out how to do that after YEARS of use and time spent with their ships?

Yes?

How does that make any a sense. If you rely on something heavily, you ensure that it keeps working no matter the cost.