Techmix-nerf and factions which are unique in RELYING on techmixing

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As far as I'm concerned, having to adapt and change is what disco has always been about.

You'll know more than most how much I (feel that I) got screwed over by bomber changes, yet I couldn't stop it, change it's course or deflect it. It was changed so much that it became unusable to me as it is now.

It happens. Certainly I can say it from experience. I even invested a lot of time to fix it and adapt, and I still failed to do so. You're lucky that the time to succeed or fail hasn't come yet.

This is also true for any other game. They change the warpgate research time for Protoss in SC2, and suddenly 4-gate is no longer the only option in PvP, thereby changing the entire metagame for Protoss mirror matches.

Frankly, I'd also argue that the HF shouldn't be able to go at it head to head with the LN, that the SCRA shouldn't be able to do this with house navies, and so on and so forth. Those rebels in Libya didn't get anywhere without bombs raining on loyalist's heads.

Change and adapting to it are fine, but this goes beyond the level of change, this is messing with factions' gameplay elements, core gameplay elements in the HF's case, and that in a severe and bad way.

The time to succeed and fail came when .85 came and we had all kinds of things broken, and things which should've been there weren't, and we had to rebuild our gameplay from scratch to adapt to the new system, and we only could to that by scavenging whatever we could from anywhere we could to adapt to the dynamic battlefield in a mod environment that's been steadily moving away from the focus on individual skill to a focus on group combat and tactics, else we wouldn't have stood a chance doing our core gameplay element without resorting to the dreaded BS spam.

And I understand your point about the latter, but you know that I've always been an advocate of the in-game part being taken into account more, so I say until we can't do it in the game, we'll keep going at it head to head, eye for an eye, as is our custom and has been for the last two years at minimum.

You can still do the exact same thing with the exact same number of ships.

I can't do it with any tactical diversity because as someone who's led countless cap-raids and raids otherwise I know that sometimes, you use ship A for job Z while other times you use ship B for job Y or may use C for X. And no, I can't field the 2 GB and 5 Bombers against a fleet comprised of two Dreads, two Battlecruisers and two Siege Cruisers, because the battlefield is DYNAMIC and reinforcements from here or there can always show up. The HF's only effective way to counter the excessive capspam sometimes observed here and there is TACTICS. Not NUMBERS. And you need a HUGE amount of Bombers to kill two Dreads alone FASTER than the reinforcements have a chance to curbstomp you, and in ANY house, there is ALWAYS reinforcements. So don't tell me I can do the same thing with the same number of ships if the fleet gets nerferized, because I can't do the SAME thing.

I can ACHIEVE the same RESULT in a different way, but that means a very big amount of Spyglasses and trying to outnumber law's armor with HF's own.

That would be fun for everyone.

Not.

Nope, neither of those characters were in a faction whose job was to fight an entire millitary. One was a vigilante whose job was to fight two millitaries and the other was a mercenary whose job was to fight one millitary. What kind of toys you get isn't, and shouldn't be, based solely on what your role is. It's also about resources such as manpower, money, food, and developed and developing technologies. Just because your role is to fight the millitary doesn't mean you get every capship in the millitaries zoi to do it with. My vigilante used the KuEx as his flagship. He brought it out to fight the big stuff and lost every encounter because he was always outnumbered horribly. That fact didn't change his role or what tech was available to him in the least.

Well if they weren't in a faction whose job was to fight an entire Military, then maybe that's hardly relevant because this is mostly a topic regarding factions? Factions who have long-standing RP and history behind what they do and what they use, and like in the damn HF's case are being given the finger in regards to their RP which goes hand-in-hand with PvP and their core gameplay element? The core being what this faction is built around, the "goal to bring Liberty's military to its knees and replace it", something which a faction that isn't a POLITICAL one in any way cannot do without either weakening Liberty's economy - which the HF is inRP AGAINST as we even shadow or escort legal trade here and there, even if rarely - so we'd never, ever pirate, which with the economical and political aspects out of the picture leaves us the MILITARY one, which translates into doing some good old-fashioned PvP action? Yes? I have XYZ things that'll get auto-nerfed with the new mod version which are my personal ships, and I don't even care that much, because that's just my boats, but this here? This is about FACTIONS. Which have HISTORY on the face of Discovery. Which are comprised of MULTIPLE people. Which all are part of something BIGGER than them alone as individuals.