Fighters should be fun...

[mjolnir]

Kerc, are you actually flying one of the Vanilla ships?
Because, if not, i can tell you, that most of them are Uber.
Take Wrath for example. One of the best ships.
Then take Blood Dragon HF for an example. The best ship (subjective opinion).
Sabre is one of the best as well. Eagle is pretty good too.
So, i can't see your point here, mate?
Yes, they are more vulnerable to blasts, but they have better stats then most new ships.
Vanilla ship balance is not the issue here, but they would become weak if you would take Armor upgd from all fighters.
Because, you would not get a chance to make a mistake.
As they are now, they are pretty much better then new ships.

Spear has a point as well, but that point dies after 3h battle.
I know what you mean, but i think people are getting bored from long fights.
As Yngen said, fighting in a fighter should be the most dangerous thing.
And yet, it is the safest, right now.

You contradict yourself here a bit... flying any vanilla fighter is very dangerous.... ask Blunt how he won against 2 Chimaeras in his LF.... one nuke.. and you'r dead.....


The "simplest" solution would be to make wireframes for all fighters/bombers.... I see that some people have tried to make them.. but without much sucess yet....

Or we could go the other way and remove the wireframes from vanilla ships....

Vanilla/non-vanilla ships are just about balanced as it is now....not all of them though....I see it as very difficult to try to rebalance them with other classes and each other while making the fights shorter.....

If they become one homogenous group... either all with or without wireframes... it might be possible.

If all ships will lose wireframes... we could drop the armor upgrade... or decrease it to some 1.5.



@StarButt.... imagine if bombers had wireframes.... you could nuke them on almost every turn... blast them with cannonballs/ sunslayers.... no problem

@Kaiden... Tie-fighter is not really the best example at all... in Tie-Defender.. I could disable any ship and then kill it (as shields didn't regenerate).. .dodging was not a problem either. In Missile Gunboat I could kill any number of capital ships with reload....
Freespace 2 was a better example

anyway... as it is now a single bomber can no longer take capships down on his own... a gunboat yes.... cruiser... if you have the best setup and the captain is not good.... BS... only with NPC help


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a side note about completely removing armor:
...... my Wrath with 5000 hull damage per shot would be able to take down any fighter in 2-3 shots... sorry but... poor newbies... imagine when they make their first joust... and get Mini + Canonball + 2-3 5k shots....and die... would they think the game is balanced?

once I even got a nice combo hit with Mini Razor and Cannonball hitting at just about the same time... on a Sabre.... *bang*.... long fight indeed.....

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