A thorn in our side [Can we pull it out?]

[Drake]

You can always go the 'unofficial' route. Disadvantages are no system owning (not usually possible anyway if your parent faction system is already owned), and the Angels won't recruit for you. Advantages are the fact that fewer people bitch at you unless you're really messing things up (flying OORP ships or being a pain to the 'official' faction, or generally piss-poor RP), and you don't require admin-approval. Going unofficial is often a good idea until you get your RP worked out and people see that you ARE RPing, and not just YANF. But if you ever want to make it official, you need to make your faction somehow different than the other player faction... Carbon-copies with different leadership and possibly slightly different policies don't cut it, you need to show how you'll actually add something, rather than just fly under different leadership.

For example, there are three official Outcast factions. The 101st are the Outcast Guard, defenders of Alpha and Outcast space. The Reapers of Sirius are the offensive wing of the Outcast fleet, though they seem to often end up defending Alpha when the 101st aren't active. The Blue Lotus Syndicate are the smugglers, we haul cardamine throughout Sirius and keep our drug trade moving smoothly. Three separate Outcast factions, all notably different. However, the 101st own the Outcast Guard system, they have the ZOI of Alpha, so they technically make the rules. Luckily we all pretty much get along anyway.

If you want to be an 'unofficial' Order faction, go for it, just don't piss off the Black Squadron. If you want an official Order faction, come up with the RP why you exist, what your purpose is (beyond killing and researching Nomads, all of the Order does that, and the BS already has the 'normal' Order goals covered), and why you really need to exist.