RE: The sanction of the Hess/Bret Combined Forces BattleGroup

[ryoken]

I'll just copy and paste what I said in the sanction thread.
/signed

When you're a house that's on the verge of destruction you will do anything to prevent it. They've already done dealings and had help with (as croft said) mollies, kusari exiles, and outcasts. Why not red hessians? In fact, from an outside perspective it doesn't even look like these guys arranged any sort of 'teaming' with the hessians at all. Instead, they just 'showed up' to blow the base to oblivion with them.

But really, the Bretonians know they're about to be steamrolled by Gallia. Why WOULDN'T you try building relations with a group you don't usually interact with in order to fight a common enemy? Imho the event that took place should have been considered a step forward in Bretonian - Hessian RP and trust so they could further develop their diplomatic status with each other.. Not be punished for making their own completely reasonable RP.

Also the whole 'grouping' thing Is reasonable. I mean that the admins punished those who were grouped. That makes sense. I don't know why you guys would group.. if you all didn't it actually would have been pretty cool to see something better come out of that.

Your reasoning tells why they would "NOT" join with Hessiens. They are being pounded, and near destruction, so in no way would they piss off Rheinland by being allied with Hessiens. If rheinland ever said "thats it, we had it" Bretonia would just crumble and die. Rheinland would crush them. Nuff said.

So I can take a Military ID and act like a terrorist, shooting everyone that's not flying a Rheinland lawful ship, because my ID doesn't prohibit it?

Nope. Only "OFFICIAL" faction players are allowed to do that. Not indies.
hehe sorry could not resist:tease:

Before I go to sleep, I want to say a few things here. I was sanctioned too, as a Bowex trader who partially supplied the ships with bats and bots and partially helped shooting the base. I made it out of the Omicrons without being killed, I didn't lose anything. While I think giving out a sanction for what happened against so many players is really harsh, i can't deny that my behaviour in the situation was against my ID regulations and I'm not going to complain about the sanction to me.

I do, however, think I know what he is referring to:

I was in Omicron Delta with another char later just to fly around and watch, and I must say the behaviour around there was disgraceful, and makes the reason why the bretonian/hessian players were sanctioned for in the first place look like a joke. If you base their sanction on the simple fact that they were in the same group, then it's unconscionable to send those players through a system, being attacked from a *randomly appearing* fleet of corsair caps (all of them being prepared totally legit RPwise, and of course no metagaming >_>) and losing things such as CAU's and cloak devices they must've spent hundreds of millions of credits on, if not much more. And the simple thought that I saw one of the players who participated in this revenge orgy request in a thread later that 'the corsair base should be restored now like the brimstone refinery' is absolutely ridiculous. That loss is also in no way comparable, since the corsair base would've fallen anyway, with or without the help of the hessians and accompanying rule violations.

As I said, I didn't lose anything on my side and I do think a consequence was appropriate for multiple players involved in the action, including me, but I denounce the way this was handled both by the admins enforcing the punishment as well as the corsairs and other players abusing the situation to farm some very expensive equipment and to get personal revenge based on an admin action which has nothing to do with RP events at all.

It is power gaming via Skype, and forum. Everyone does it. Same way a fleet appears suddenly in rheinland if a few Lib caps show up, and vice versa. Power gaming, and skype. We all do it. Is it wrong? yup. Will it stop? nope.

[font=Comic Sans Ms]Does this also mean, that if say, two opposing IDs group for whatever reason, they will get sanctioned if caught? Because my Junker and Hacker have grouped with opposing IDs before for the purpose of roleplaying, and from what I see from this post I would be shunned and punished for that.

Only if ID says "cannot ally with" like hessien ID does. Grouping is allying with. Was said by admin on first page. Should read entire post.


Now Corsairs going after BAF after sanction? well that is just wrong. BAF/Hessiens did bad, and were punished for it. Corsairs deciding to be pricks back? well that is just as bad as what the sanction was for. I joked about it with some Liberty lawfuls about stoping BAF in Alaska, but we joked, and said bad form. To actually do it like Corsairs? This should also be punished.

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