Liberty Navy [LN] Feedback Thread

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It's not quite all. It's only a good testimony of an issue with liberty lawful factions.

When you decide to get in that stuff and lead all the things, then I suggest you actually do it and not turn it into an epeen of massive destruction.

I mean please, the liberty government was created after these lawful official factions were crying because the LN was taking care of government stuff without their involvement.

All that happened in that thread is that gungun1000 suffered of a major penis outbreak as all these leaders of inactive factions were sad they haven't been able to rule life or death.

It's not like it's something that was extremely difficult to do anyway. I talked to him ingame previously, asked the rest of the LN hc what they thought about it, then I checked ingame if there was anything relevant in that defined spot. Even Joe didn't say anything.

Honestly it's not anything complicated or totally opposed to lib's rp. This was just an ore storage base. Hell the LN even had docking rights to it. The only difference is that he didn't have to wait 3 weeks to get a reply to his request.

You see that's the thing that piss me off. People want to get involved in big things and get responsabilities, even if it's on a game, but once there's actually something to do, mysteriously everybody is gone and Joe ends up having to manage all the things when he's already got a good bunch of work irl.

So yeah to conclude his base was destroyed because of hurted epeen of faction leaders leading factions with 10 hours of activity or logging afk ships to keep their status. That's why I don't give a damn and will definitely continue to reply to people so they don't wait between 3 or 4 weeks for a simple reply that only requires common sense.

Charming as always, Alley. Joe is not the only person with a busy RL outside of this game. Don't bite my head off for taking care of one item in the spare five minutes I found...

You've created a rather inaccurate picture of me (and/or other people) as "sad", "butthurt", and "seeking epeen inflation", which is quite frankly not the case.

Accusing me of backing away from responsibilities and the work associated with the Government is a far cry from reality; as it stands currently, I have done the most Government work second to Joe. When McNeo was still around, there was a period of several months where he and I essentially handled all of the Government business between us. I'm not doing less currently because I don't want to - it is simply because I do not have the time. There are plenty of other people you can point a finger at who actually do nothing.

What was happening around a month ago:
Me: "Hey, Alley is responding to comms directed at LN HC. That's cool I guess, not really Government business."
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Me: "Ok, Alley just approved some random base owned by a player who we've never heard of. Excuse me Joe, but this is either really out of line or a very skilled troll post."
Joe: "I'll talk to her about it."

I would never take silence or lack of response to imply agreement.

(NB: You said "the Navy will extend its patrols to cover the base" which is usually the complete opposite of Government policy, which put your entire post under suspicion of its validity. Unless the LN has a new policy I haven't heard about...)

Essentially, you approved that base, and then the Government said: "Wait, no, we're not cool with that. LN, you'll handle this internally yeah?"
"Yeah."

And then nothing happened, and the base's existence was forgotten.


Recently, we get a message from that colonial indie telling us he's found a base in Pennsylvania. In a business-as-usual manner, I replied to the sender thanking him for this information and that we'd take the appropriate action. http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=89302
At that point in time, I had no recollection whatsoever that you had "approved" the existence of said base; it's also not like you made any effort to have said base documented formally in the Liberty Law (which lists all currently approved bases within the House).

Then, before I could draft a message to the owner of said base - who has already channel-hacked the message sent earlier - posts an equivalent of a ragequit message telling no one in particular to just destroy his base.
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=89305

Then, the existence of your approval was pointed out to me:
[28/10/2012 1:25:18 PM] TЯALAЯAWЯ FFS: That's the damn base that Alley approved without talking to anyone else first..?
http://discoverygc.com/forums/showthread.php?tid=88889
which made me surprised (because I had completely forgotten about it) and annoyed (because it should never have happened in the first place). In light of this, I decided to clean up this business and formally order the base's destruction, intending to rectify the mistake of the base's approval.

I was later informed that the base died; I don't know whether it was a lawful attack, unlawful attack, or the owner suiciding the base. Regardless, claiming that it was just an honest ore storage facility isn't accurate; having an Outcast dreadnought being seen docking with the base completely degrades its credibility.


Condemn me all you want, but it won't cause the base to return, nor will it erase the mistakes made by the people involved (including you). I stand by the decision I made at the time, given the information available to me.

Addendum: I believe this could have been averted, had you followed through with all the necessary paperwork associated with POB registration; or, had the base owner brought it to our attention that he was under the impression that his base was legally registered, rather than giving up the moment the comms went through.

Nowhere did I imply that LibGov would order the base's destruction in the first post; it was the owner's invitation to destroy it which sealed its fate. In fact, I was just planning on the standard "Who are you, what is your base doing, and please pay a fine for not registering properly before you built the base."

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TL;DR version of what happened.

CR indie: "We found a base in Penn."
LibGov: "Thanks for the info, we'll take action."
gungun1000: "destroy my base please I quit the server"
LibGov: "Ok. Base authorisation revoked."

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