i use thos 2 progs, they superb, i had a fake virus that came up with a fake scan saying that most of my files are infected pay £50 to clean blah blah, and my desktop pic changed , even my sytem tray clock had gone, the control panel had dissapeard, task manager wasnt available but on another login all was fine!!!! so i installed malwarebytes and spybot and after a complete system scan, all fake rubbish gone, all fine and back to normal