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Poll: Do you feel like police is not heling trade ships.
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Police is not helping
Offline MacAulay
02-08-2013, 09:46 AM, (This post was last modified: 02-08-2013, 10:07 AM by MacAulay.)
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(02-08-2013, 08:29 AM)Ursus Wrote: Sanguines, police are only responsible for civilian laws, they are hired contractors to write parking tickets, the military is responsible for protecting the state and its assets. Its not the police shooting pirates off the coast of Somalia, its the navy. Its not the police protecting local coastal fishing lanes, that's the navy and/or coast guard, too. You keep talking about RP you're doing it wrong

This is true. There is a certain amount of conflict and confusion in game as to the responsibilities of the police and the navy.
The police are primarily responsible for enforcing the civil laws of a house, though there is no clear definition by most houses of which laws are considered civil. I would say, carrying contraband within house space, disrupting tradelanes, 'assault' on other ships (random attacks like we get), and scanning vessels to name a few, are all civil matters.
The navy are responsible for all things militaristic, including border patrol and anti piracy, smugglers running goods into house space, or anything likely to involve combat. The police are not really equipped to deal with large pirate vessels and shouldnt be expected too. I believe the trade blockades should also be enforced by the Navy, they are a military matter in my mind as they are pertaining to the war.
Another point, civil laws apply to all, even to that houses' Navy. In reality, members of armed forces are required to obey and adhere to the laws of their own country and are liable to arrest just like any other civilian if they break the law. We often see cases of navy players telling police they can do this and that because they are navy. Again, if we had a clear definition of which laws are considered civil, this would be avoided to some degree.
Scanning ships within house space should also be a police matter only. Traveling from California JG to Colorado JG I was stopped and scanned 4 times by LNS ships. I believe that carrying illegal cargo in house space is a civil matter, whereas actually smuggling it into house space is where the navy should get involved, but how many Navy vessels do you see actually patrolling a border system?
In an ideal situation, taking Liberty as an example, there would be more activity in systems like Texas, Colo and Cali from Navy players. They should be enforcing blockades, searching for smugglers and general border security. There should be a few Navy vessels in reserve in NY to provide support to their fleet or the police should need arise. Police would be out patrolling the tradelanes of all systems. Escorting traders when asked. Regular patrol routes that don't involve sitting at Manhatten for an hour between each one would be a plus.
That's in an ideal situation though. Unfortunately that rarely arises on the server. One of my personal gripes has always been RP'ers who seem to think that RP gives them creative license and freedom to play their character as they see fit. This is all well and good, but if you are playing a police character then first and foremost you should bloody act like one. You should do what they would do as your primary RP. You may well have created what you think to be an interesting and original character, who's parents were killed during an unfortunate cheese grating accident when pirates/slavers/smugglers attacked their spacecamping ship while on a tourist trip to the omicrons, and you joined the police to exact revenge or make the universe a safer place (blah blah blah), but that crap is immaterial when you choose to play as a specific role on the server.

sanguines Wrote:It is also funny that you claim something about somaly pirates, but I will tell you this: Since when do Somaly fall under american juristiction? It doesnt. That is why the navy is in it.

Since when? Well here's an example, when they attack an American ship in international waters? Or any other nations shipping for that matter. Also, there was no mention of the Americans, it was a reference to navy forces in general, if we had pirates in British waters, it would be the British Navy that dealt with them, not the police, That is the point!

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' Wrote:This really isn't something that needs to be taken super seriously because it's a game and most of us are just here to have fun. You should try smiling, you'll feel better about things (honest).
 
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Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 03:54 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Shizune - 02-02-2013, 04:34 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 05:58 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by nOmnomnOm - 02-06-2013, 12:06 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sarawr!? - 02-02-2013, 06:27 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Remilia Scarlet - 02-02-2013, 06:51 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by nOmnomnOm - 02-07-2013, 02:22 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 07:32 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-02-2013, 07:41 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-02-2013, 07:43 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Hone - 02-02-2013, 07:51 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Trollwut - 02-02-2013, 07:56 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Trollwut - 02-02-2013, 08:01 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:07 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-02-2013, 08:53 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:59 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-02-2013, 09:30 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-02-2013, 10:25 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 11:11 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Mercarryn - 02-05-2013, 01:10 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:15 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Hone - 02-02-2013, 08:22 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Ursus - 02-02-2013, 08:43 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Trollwut - 02-02-2013, 08:48 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:49 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 08:57 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 09:36 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by SothaSil - 02-02-2013, 09:47 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Govedo13 - 02-02-2013, 10:17 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Pavel - 02-02-2013, 10:23 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 10:49 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-02-2013, 11:04 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Thyrzul - 02-04-2013, 05:35 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Omicron - 02-02-2013, 10:56 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-02-2013, 11:20 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-02-2013, 11:33 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-02-2013, 11:40 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Agmen of Eladesor - 02-05-2013, 04:23 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by SMGSterlin - 02-06-2013, 12:56 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by why_so_serious - 02-02-2013, 11:39 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Ivan - 02-02-2013, 02:14 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Haste - 02-02-2013, 02:33 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by Tibbles - 02-02-2013, 03:35 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Redon - 02-03-2013, 03:45 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by SummerMcLovin - 02-05-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Jihadjoe - 02-05-2013, 02:07 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Madvillain - 02-05-2013, 10:12 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by TLI-Inferno - 02-05-2013, 10:30 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by latos - 02-06-2013, 05:27 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Mercarryn - 02-06-2013, 10:32 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-06-2013, 10:41 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Remilia Scarlet - 02-06-2013, 10:36 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Hero4Hire - 02-06-2013, 06:04 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-06-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-06-2013, 09:42 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-06-2013, 10:26 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Remilia Scarlet - 02-06-2013, 10:32 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-06-2013, 10:51 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-06-2013, 11:05 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-06-2013, 11:13 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Xelon - 02-06-2013, 11:37 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-06-2013, 02:04 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Haste - 02-06-2013, 11:39 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-06-2013, 11:56 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by TLI-Inferno - 02-06-2013, 02:20 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Madvillain - 02-06-2013, 09:30 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by TLI-Inferno - 02-07-2013, 02:19 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Haste - 02-06-2013, 02:27 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Pancakes - 02-06-2013, 05:36 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-06-2013, 05:51 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by latos - 02-07-2013, 11:19 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by OrionPew - 02-07-2013, 01:16 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Haste - 02-07-2013, 01:41 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 05:39 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-08-2013, 06:31 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Haste - 02-07-2013, 02:43 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Hauruck - 02-08-2013, 06:50 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-08-2013, 07:41 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Veygaar - 02-08-2013, 06:51 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by nOmnomnOm - 02-08-2013, 07:04 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-08-2013, 07:35 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 07:42 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-08-2013, 08:10 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 08:36 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-08-2013, 09:11 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-08-2013, 09:24 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 10:43 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by MacAulay - 02-08-2013, 10:57 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 11:20 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Thyrzul - 02-08-2013, 01:07 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 02:46 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-08-2013, 03:04 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 03:10 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-08-2013, 03:22 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 03:26 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Ursus - 02-08-2013, 08:29 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by MacAulay - 02-08-2013, 09:46 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 10:45 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by Xelon - 02-08-2013, 11:37 AM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 12:50 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Huhuh - 02-08-2013, 01:15 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 02:47 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Xelon - 02-08-2013, 02:17 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 03:04 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sarawr!? - 02-08-2013, 03:29 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-08-2013, 03:39 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 03:49 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 03:44 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Zynth - 02-08-2013, 03:50 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Xelon - 02-08-2013, 04:39 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 05:48 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by Anaximander - 02-08-2013, 05:49 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 06:27 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-08-2013, 06:39 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by Sanguines - 02-09-2013, 09:13 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by BloodTree - 02-09-2013, 09:20 PM
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RE: Police is not helping - by Tunicle - 02-09-2013, 09:29 PM
RE: Police is not helping - by Sarawr!? - 02-09-2013, 09:35 PM

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