Judicial Order

[Teerin]

Apparently you guys are hostile to the Rheinland Lawfuls. You should edit your page to reflect this.

You should also find yourself a reason to shoot at Rheinland Lawfuls that is permissible by the server rules. As far as I can see, you have not joined any relevant bounty boards, nor have you been seen being hired to do so.

I haven't seen a response to this yet.

I fail to see anything about your group's zone of influence. And since I've seen a handful of you guys in Omicron-99 the other day - I wondered what your true place is. Unless some IC infectees activated a Nomad Gate aboard the Newark, which collapsed in upon itself and dragged the whole station and nearby ships into Omicron-99 - I don't see any other reason for you being there.

On that note, what is your standing with the Nomads, since they aren't listed under hostile?

A bit sarcastic on his note (but in a funny way). Zone of Influence?

I know I am usually trollish, sarcastic and so on, but I mean the following with complete seriousness:
Take a moment to seat back and think how you, as a faction, contribute to the server's RP. You wish to be something new, yet you are like Bounty Hunters that simply following the laws to the latter and never going off by the in-game RP you're having, you don't enrich the environment with which you interact inRP, you mostly stand still silently and maybe give occasional comment to the passing-by.

So with all due, answer the question: What you bring new to the mod, contribute to its RP and the general environment that you deserve an official status?

Again, I am not trolling, but some factions are simply best left unofficial. You could be either, it's all matter of what you plan to do.

Can you calmly explain what it is this faction contributes to the community?

Hours of activity are no measure of quality. Also, to be blunt, most of your members seem to be relatively new players. This is no false claim - I've roleplayed / spoken to a fair number, and quite a few of them are clearly very new to roleplay. That's not a problem, mind you. With guidance they'll get better. It's only good that you're guiding them.

However, that leads to this: your faction has many - active - members, and thus many hours of activity. And yes, a great amount of that activity is sitting on Newark. You can't deny that. I applaud any efforts to reduce that "hobby", however.

Now, as for your lore.. The main issue I take with it is that you're retconning lore and establishing yourself as a powerful, mighty faction, even though there has been no mention of your existence in the past. Slightly awkward. It also clashes with other factions' lore (Ageira, for one), and it would be wiser for you to discuss your plans with them first, and see if you can find a middle road everyone can agree with.

What I would personally suggest is that, if you truly wish to be the "UN of Sirius" - establish yourself now / a year ago, when your faction actually was founded. Build contacts. Instead of changing existing lore and doing so in a fashion that greatly benefits your in-roleplay "power" as a faction, set your faction up ingame. The UN was founded in real life. If you believe it could be founded in Sirius, do so now, instead of claiming it "already happened 500 years ago".

Just my two cents.

It would be good to adjust the Judges' history somewhat. Like Hasteric said later on, make it a more recently created faction.

And now we are all newbies? We have members including myself who started RP with D&D in 1973. Were most of you even alive then? Shall we provide references or perhaps a resume to convince you that you are not only wrong, but actively insulting?

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The self righteous arrogance displayed by a small population to a faction trying to become official is deeply disappointing. It also seems some folks have trouble reading English. Go back and re-read the admission, then read the entire history of Disco, as we DID. Then determine how you would fit into the open spots. We are TRYING. You are NOT.

Sounds a bit arrogant himself, going on about playing original D&D.

I'm not trying to sound aggressive or hateful at all. I'm trying to help, like many others are.

I'll say it again, I'm trying to help. It doesn't do you any good to be snarky.

My main issue here is that you seem to be ignoring a lot of good suggestions. Because it doesn't matter if the person is smart, dumb, a troll, etc. After all, it's the Discovery Gaming Community. You need to LISTEN to people, admit when you are wrong, and change accordingly. They don't need to listen to you since it's not their faction request that is on the line. I agree, there shouldn't be flaming, but having a response/fix for and problems is good to have.

Also, ignoring people like Echo 7-7 by claiming you don't have to respond to him is a bad decision. He's part of the development team and therefore people, especially Admins, listen to him. And it's the Admins who vote whether or not you actually become official.

I'm not trying to sound aggressive or hateful at all. I'm trying to help, like many others are.

Your main issue is that we are ignoring a lot of good suggestions. Please can you point out the GOOD suggestions in the first 4 pages before your post.
1) You spend too much time camping at Newark - Why are you in O-99 then in CR space? Which one of these?
2) You shouldn't train inRP, that is what Conn is for (previous threads) - Why are you training in Conn? you can't RP there! Which of these?
3) Change your ID - question: Which one would suit our purpose? None exist!

Do I need to go on? Maybe you can tell us whose opinions we should listen.

The statements quoted above are of use, if you're willing to listen. I'll aslo say this again;

Because it doesn't matter if the person is smart, dumb, a troll, etc. After all, it's the Discovery Gaming Community.

Opinions are like a certain part of the Human Anatomy that is used for excrement - Everyone has one!

There is no need to get nasty at me here.

Ignoring people like Echo7-7'. His first real response to our thread was so full of sarcasm and arrogance that any natural person would just ignore it. As I said in my first post we don't object to criticism and suggestions but constructive comments are received better than sarcasm and arrogance.

He, like a normal person, got a bit frustrated. He's spent a lot of time on this mod and I guess he sorta went overboard. But he still has a point, so don't ignore it if you want to be the better person.

We have tried answering any questions that have come our way and even tried admitting that we didn't get everything right and we have/are changing things within our group.

As for RP I have seen Official Factions do Preset Message 1 then 2 and then shoot. I suppose it is another form of RP not one that I enjoy but, hey, they enjoy themselves!

As a member of a few official factions, I have never seen another member use preset messages, except for orders in group chat during combat. This is rather off topic though, let's return to the Judges.

Anyway, this should shed some light on what I meant. Again, I'm trying to help, so take it as you will.

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