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Judicial Order
Offline Haste
04-07-2013, 07:44 PM,
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(04-07-2013, 06:52 PM)St.Denis Wrote: I don’t understand your reference to “retconning should be avoided”. Please can you explain what you are referring to?

Retroactive Continuity. You are inserting yourself into existing lore, without any mention whatsoever in the past, while claiming to have a long history (in which you presumably did things that would be remembered to this day). You are affecting other factions' lore - Liberty Navy (by saying you were the primary law enforcement before they were), Ageira (by stating you guarded their technology) and such. There's also other issues already stated. Echo's posts are a good reference for pretty much all of these.

(04-07-2013, 06:52 PM)St.Denis Wrote: 2) I have, as have other Judges, been attacked by Pirates whilst the LPI/LN/BHG have just sat there and watched. I was just recently attacked by a Pirate and his/her Freelancer ‘friend’. This started off as a bit of RP. The Pirate sat along the side of Trenton where the guns could not shoot him. An LPI came along and then promptly disappeared. A BH was sat outside Manhattan (he wasn’t afk). Neither of these did anything to the Pirate and even when the Pirate and his friend attack me the BH just sat and watched. But, hey, it is all part of the game regardless of in or out of RP!

Perhaps these players - LPI, BHG, whoever - stayed out because it was more fair that way. Unlike your own faction, not everyone uses all the force at their disposal, such as your five-versus-ones I've frequently gotten to enjoy (with me being the "one" side). Fact is, if a lone pirate attacks a lone Judge - perhaps they should defend themselves instead of try and get the entire Navy fleet to pile on the pirate?

(04-07-2013, 06:52 PM)St.Denis Wrote: 3) We were asked to help LNS with some Pirates who were camped, in California, at the NY/Cali JG. We went, but seemingly the LNS ship never turned up, when we got there we were met by a few Outcasts, which we engaged, but surprise! Surprise! Within a few minutes a whole group of Pirates, Outcasts and Reavers turned up in a mixture of Fighters and GBs. Nice ambush! We later heard from some of our sources that it was a set up.

4) We have been asked to help in fights where LNS Capital Ships have been ‘swarmed’ by Fighters and Bombers. We have duly turned up to the fight and somehow the Capital Ships have managed to ‘accidently’ kill a few of the Judges ships but spookily enough none of the enemy ships. Maybe I should put this down to mere coincidence!

I've fought the Judges a few times, and none of those times were "set ups". Don't get too paranoid.

(04-07-2013, 06:52 PM)St.Denis Wrote: 5) We, during one of our Wednesday Training Sessions, agreed to escort Bowex from Bretonia to Liberty once we had finished training. We duly set off from NY and (oh the coincidence of it!) we were beset upon by a group (yes here they come again!) Pirates, Outcasts and Reavers. Now I wonder how they knew that we were leaving our ‘seats’ at Newark and where we were heading. Hmm we must be the unluckiest group in the whole GAME! So that ended ‘spoiling’ a bit of RP that one of the Judges had set up. (not that we ever RP!)

Right. This one. Here's the exact order of events: I followed you (plural) from West Point, all the time in range to drop a lane or fire a disruptor. I didn't. Instead, I followed you to California to see what you were doing. After I jumped there, one of the Judges forming the "tail" of your group fired at the lane. It appeared they wanted a fight, because otherwise they could've just mined the lane instead of shooting it and sitting next to it. Therefore - and because of the bounty, of course -, I engaged. A few Judges then returned to shoot me - eventually leading to a five versus one. No problem, as a few Rogues and other assorted scum showed up to even the odds.

Frankly, not only did you provoke it yourself, but I don't think calling every unforseen conflict or interaction with other players "Spoiling roleplay" is a healthy way of looking at things.

(04-07-2013, 06:52 PM)St.Denis Wrote: I am not accusing anybody in particular but I know there are Groups of people who seem to have permanently opened multiple Skype chats from different Factions. Some of the Judges also happen to be in some of these ‘Chats’ as are people who are ‘friendly’ with us. We ‘hear’, one way or the other, that the chatter becomes animated when the Judges are around in large groups. We can ‘see’ certain Characters suddenly ’logging on’. Now if this isn’t Meta-gaming and certain people trying to ‘spoil’ others enjoyment of the game I don’t know what is!

I'll admit any day of the week that I find myself logging into a specific area if I see a high concentration of bountied players in said area (as a Reaver). Love it, hate it, but in the end - realize that everyone does it. People use it inRP more often than not - "long-range scanners" and the likes.

I suspect you'll find that even the holiest of roleplaying saints use the player list. It's simply a way to shave off some time spent finding people to interact with, meaning you end up with more time spent actually interacting (be that with guns or chatter).

Closing words: I'm not sure why, but your post makes you sound like you feel everyone is "out to get you". If you're shot, it's because people are trying to ruin your day. If you're found by people who want to shoot you, they metagamed to do it. If LNS- players don't show up in a conflict, you assume they lured you in and stayed away to get you killed.

Maybe it's just bad luck. Maybe they're not incredibly evil, sadistic people out to ruin your life.
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Judicial Order - by JudgeYohance - 02-07-2013, 08:37 PM
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RE: Judicial Order - by Reid - 02-25-2013, 08:37 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by Echo 7-7 - 02-25-2013, 08:39 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by SummerMcLovin - 02-25-2013, 12:45 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Duvelske - 02-25-2013, 01:49 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by SummerMcLovin - 02-26-2013, 03:29 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Echo 7-7 - 02-26-2013, 12:10 AM
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RE: Judicial Order - by Duvelske - 02-26-2013, 05:17 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by St.Denis - 02-26-2013, 05:58 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by JudgeYohance - 02-26-2013, 06:36 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Pancakes - 02-26-2013, 08:05 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Echo 7-7 - 02-27-2013, 01:15 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by GrnRaptor - 02-28-2013, 07:45 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by Valhalla Sr. - 02-28-2013, 01:21 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Judge Logan - 02-28-2013, 06:13 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Haste - 02-28-2013, 06:39 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Thyrzul - 02-28-2013, 09:31 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by St.Denis - 03-01-2013, 12:13 AM
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RE: Judicial Order - by Duvelske - 03-01-2013, 12:28 AM
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RE: Judicial Order - by St.Denis - 03-06-2013, 07:16 PM
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RE: Judicial Order - by St.Denis - 03-01-2013, 11:20 PM
RE: Judicial Order - by Judge Logan - 03-02-2013, 01:21 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by JudgeYohance - 03-02-2013, 02:19 AM
RE: Judicial Order - by St.Denis - 03-02-2013, 11:37 AM
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