Proposal: ID changes for 4.87

[AeternusDoleo]

As the leader of the Hellfire Legion I have some issues with the ID proposal. Why was that line about piracy added to our ID? We've stated countless times that we do not pirate or tax people and we've been RPing like that for way too long. Please do not include it.

Next issue is the "Cannot ally with any lawfuls" line. That's the problematic line that caused some trouble in the past and we'd like it to be changed to "Cannot ally with House Military/Police" so we can escort traders/miners that belong to "lawfuls".

Good catch on the piracy line. My bad.
As for allying with lawfuls - you're basically a terrorist faction in Liberty, bent on overthrowing their (corporately owned) government. That would make you an enemy of the Liberty corporations as well as their law enforcement. Would "Cannot ally with Liberty lawfuls" be appropriate?

Then I would like to ask Sigma-17 added into KNF ID since it's not directly connecting to kusari like 19 or 13. It was long time since KNF made several patrols in sigma17 and even have some rp about small base on Kurile.

Makes sense since there's a Samura base there.

After reading through the proposals, I must say i am not a fan of the gutting of Intelligence Factions. Limiting them to only their house and the surrounding independant worlds completely castrates them and limits them to basically a local police force.

The purpose of Intelligence factions is to do just what any other Modern Day Agency would do. Gather Intel on anything and everything, and conduct covert ops. This new ID proposal would take away any chance at doing so. I am against these changes in the Intelligence Faction ID's. I am also against taking cruisers our of the ID as they are often an essential part to an Intelligence operation.

I suggest you read the IDs a bit more closely. The Intelligence factions can do a LOT outside their ZoI. Inside, yes, they act more as navy then anything. Outside, they act as a quasilawful force that can play dirty against enemies of the house.

I will be straight to the point. I do NOT like the can treat whoever as a combat vessel line in so many of the ID's. I value RP and even the 1 sentence RP some guys use to engage is pretty crappy. I'm not happy about this change. I want to RP with pirates even if its only a little bit and I still end up dying. I just don't feel this change will do any good for the Server. I think more people will ragequit from this. Especially people who value RP. (Give us a reason to RP, not pew since not all of us enjoy pewing)

People fail to see. This is not a carte blance to /1 and pew. Any engagement must have sufficient roleplay at the basis for it. If you get someone who is triggerhappy and itching for blues, does it really matter if you get a "drop all cargo or die" or just get a "die you enemy" thrown at you? Result is pretty much the same: Shooting. Folk who don't want to roleplay will find a way around it.

The distinction between combat target or not, is wether or not the factions are involved in a bitter conflict with eachother. Are you prey, or are you an enemy?

Why can't those guys ally with the Sairs, as we even get cuddly in the Sigmas together( where we might have to defend against Outcast Hordes)
Also: ZOI extensions to the Sigmas, as they even own Kurile there?

To my understanding the Hogosha are allied to the Sairs, not Samura. Sig-17 added to the ZoI, makes sense.

Why are the Mollys allowed to ally with the Brets after being as backstabby as ever?

The devil you know...? Dunno, the Gaians are already in the Gaul camp, which edges the Sairs in that direction as well. Figured the Mollies would realise which way the wind is blowing and go hit the Gauls before they plant a fleur-de-lis on Arranmore. But I could be wrong. Any word from the Molly players on this?

"Can actively hunt pirates, terrorists and lawfuls in systems that do not contain a jumpgate."

This line makes the AI a terrorist faction or Nomad ID Mk II, just with a bigger ZOI, absolutely no purpose whatsoever. Yes there are many AI fanboys out there that want to shoot everything like crazy, but this ID/Faction needs a major overhaul, some set directions and so on.

Yea. I really wish we could return to the old Harvester MO of be hostile to everything and shoot everything. Then at least they'd have a counterbalance to being able to shoot everything - they'd -BE- shot by everything. But that screws over the existing AI factions. I'm just not sure what to do with this ID. There's players using it as universal trader, as antipirate ID, as "gots us some cruisers and will toast anything" ID. It needs to be committed to a role, and isn't right now. Personally, I'd love it if the House governments would simply outlaw loose AI's so the IDs could be made hostile to the house governments. But that's not up to me.

Of course the game is called "Freelancer" , but i doubt that on top of the best tech, no responsibilities and an unlimited ZOI the addition of being able to defend "neutral" ships is necessary. Who can ever control who is neutral or even allied to whom? If they want to pew, they should be hired so everyone ca see it, which is worse enough as you can't even check then if the freelancers rep sheet isn't green to his target and red to his employer... oh well, mercs make me paranoid.

They can't initiate combat, but they can join in once it starts, and are limited to gunboat or smaller. I don't find this unreasonable. Sure, you'd best watch your back around any quasilawful IDd players. But that is nothing new.

is it too late to ask for the terrorist ID to be deleted to favor people joining the underrepresented house unlawfulls?

If unlawful factions would get off their rears and ask for a hostile rephack on the (independent) Pirate ID, that problem would solve itself in quite a hurry. Otherwise, if you have suggestions on how to make this ID a little less popular in respect to the local unlawful factions, I'm all ears. I'm no fan of the Pirate and Freelancer IDs.

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