Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ]

[Thyrzul]

Well we do see eye-to-eye on what we would prefer Zoners to be, but when they can build 2 lines of cruisers and 2 lines of battleships in 20 years, who knows what other rabbits they can pull out of the hat? And they are unaccountable in the sense that they lore-wise are independent from one another, although their mammoth production feet certainly suggests otherwise. I mean a certain Zoner pride must arise from that feat, a certain feeling of being invincible or a feeling of succeeding against all the odds - that would be a fair premise for a militaristic megalomaniac group to arise. I'd be confused regarding the scope of my strength if I was a Zoner too, and perhaps overreach.

Just because the already vague Zoner lore contradicts itself (independent civilians, who can build warships of several kind, something even several organizations fail to manage), that doesn't mean that this contradiction should be exploited. They are unaccountable in regards of the lore, but not in regards of their actions. If Zoners really possess the means of building up a huge fleet and this results in some kind of pride or sense of invincibility, as you suggest, then scrap that line from lore where it says they are aiming for neutrality. Because building up a huge fleet and posing as a potential threat before doing anything with that fleet is already frankly not a sign of aiming for neutrality. At least not on a peaceful way Zoner lore earlier suggested.

The shipline suggest the potential for a militaristic zoner faction, the lore, and the ID along with it suggest pretty much otherwise. As long as this contradiction stands, there will be issues with Zoner factions.

However ZA can say whatever they want to say. There once was a lonely pirate called Rorry who called himself King of Sigma-13, he didn't have any lore to back that claim either.

Did Rorry enforce his claim by locking down a whole system with invincible PoBs?

One thing you do say is that you get your opinions on what a Zoner should be based on how you experience other players play their Zoners - if you go back in history, Zoners have been played radically different than TAZ and other groups do these days. I hope you can understand how your MO is flawed? For you to form your opinions on what Zoners are from how people play them would require that you had total knowledge of how Zoners have been played by all players at all times. You should rather just say that you want Zoners to be the way a select group is currently playing them at the server.

I've seen TAZ playing out their stuff diplomatically, I've seen OSI dealing with various entities, they are alive and kicking to this day. I've seen OZ screw up their diplomacy with Core, resulting in Core sieging their only base, they are nowhere now. I've heard stories about that Asgard stuff, the Ori, mostly that they were kind of aggressive zoners too, not much I've heard, but even that little in negative context, like who told me condemned their actions. None of them are here today. I've heard Omicroners trying to seal off O74, just like ZA does now, resulting in bad blood, and that half of them left the server, other half remained here, reorganized under a new name, new policies, new diplomacy. Phoenix, in it's renewed form, is alive and kicking. And then there is still the difference between Omicroners and ZA, that the former did not have the PoBs, pretty much invulnerable and powerful entities, to enforce the lockdown to this extent.

I based my view of the Zoner Way on how the current and old factions played it out, as their survival is pretty evident to me that they barely made any mistakes compromising themselves, and did not derive from the path ensuring their neutrality and respect.

That's just cruel. Noone deservers to be a scapegoat, and the fact you just said that proves my assumptions of there being out of roleplay hatred involved. By treating them like that, you disable any possibility for them to shape up in the way you want them to in the first place. After talking with Tri Udent on Skype, I can tell they're willing to settle things peacefully, but they simply aren't given the chance to, or they're prompted to make hasty decisions which tend to be against their favour.

The only thing you're going to achieve by this is the likely chance you'll just bully them off the server completely.

What is the ooRp hatred in my words when I say they are at fault for what they have done, and that they have to face the consequences of their own actions, like everybody else? They have every opportunity to end this conflict, they had these opportunities since start, they also even had their chances to prevent it completely. They did not wish to do so up until they got outgunned to an extent they were not able to defend anymore. Then they had peace with their surroundings, for how many days exactly? It didn't take too much time for them to start their next war. After this, I really cannot take them seriously, but if they really wish to end this now, they still got their chances. They know the terms, only a decision is what has to be made.

If the whole will end up with them leaving the server, they will be as faulty in this result as their surroundings.

Somehow I think you are too keen to pull "ooRP hatred" on everybody opposing something you decided to defend. Often I fail to see it's basis, or the reason behind it as I suspect there is barely any, other than the wish to play the devil's advocate. Well, by my experiences Anaximander is better at that for sure.

@GTB
Don't mix Phoenix with TAZ. No double standards, just two entirely different factions with two entirely different cases. Barely comparable.

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