Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ]

[Thyrzul]

why do i think that the ZA has not left canon? - easy - canon says that firstly - zoners are very diverse. in terms of discovery - it means they are what is left when you subtract the pirates, the bounty hunters, the idealistic saviours of humanity and the aliens from what dwells in the outer rim.

Question is how much of them are living out in the edge of space and how concentrated they are. How cooperative are they? (Because you know, diversity barely eases that.)

here is an example of a perfect Zoner:

Andrew Ryan, late ruler of Rapture

you might try to bend your mind around that character, which is by no means a pacifist. - he left his country for the following reasons:

- unrestricted creativity
- limitless research, including unethical research
- escaping the the state that wants to control, wants to know everything about you
- be truly independent
- be out of sight - gone - vanished ... hence, under the sea ( thats not really a coincidence there )
- find a community of like minded people

in my opinion - this bioshock character is a true "zoner" through and through.

Starting a war with all of their surroundings, that's barely something to do in case they want to "be out of sight". I highly doubt our example of perfect zoner Andrew Ryan would have done the same as what the ZA did.

strangely enough, you can apply much of Bioshock to Zoners. - maybe not all of course, because it is still a different universe - but maybe it derails your idea of Zoners just a bit.

And what you see in Bioshock is just what happens when the social bonds start to loosen. ( or if you don t like pop culture that much - you can also always read the Lord of the Flies

I'm not entirely familiar with Bioshock characters, neither have read Lord of the Flies yet. But I'd rather stick to DiscoFL characters, who actually exist in this universe. I hope you understand.

It is also a strange thing - that people who seek to live outside of the society, isolated, with their own laws - tend to be very defensive - and also tend to hoard tons of weapons ... "for self protection of course" - its a funny little aspect.

From what I got, zoners aren't really isolated, only ventured far to live away from the houses, get out of their bureaucratic grasp, but they still have neighbors to make contact with. Defense is a key of survival, but so is diplomacy. Why defend yourself with guns first if you have the words for it... if those fail, you can use the guns, but words, if used well, can prevent pointless bloodshed on both sides. So far zoners seemed to be expert at that, minimizing the need for guns.

Also, I'm curious from where these civilians, living outside of the society would acquire the sufficient resources, manpower and organization required to maintain a fleet rivaling the military might of the mini-houses. How did mere civilians escaping the houses manage to build up a force in 20 years or so up to the point they could think of threatening the Order with war if they don't let them research nomads for whatever reason they would have and then think they can get away with it?

now - with that said - it does not mean that the ZA has not had a disruptive effect on the conservative diplomacy in the omicrons - but i would NOT call it ooRP or non zonerish.

i think you d be naive for sticking so singlemindedly on your idea of what the faction must be like. - you can express that you do not like what they do - but that is different from saying what they do is non canon.


4.82 canon:

zoners deploy juggernaut ships to protect what is theirs ( theta ) - a ship that looms forcefully and threatingly over zoner interests - ready to smite those that oppose them. - THAT is established zoner lore.

Any more detail on that? Numbers? Costs of construction? From where do they get their resources and manpower? What are those so called "zoner interests" these caps intend to defend? Are zoners so interested in Nomad research they are ready to wage war just to defend these "interests"? Also, "ready to smite those that oppose them", I was not aware zoners were this aggressive, how come the ID doesn't reflect that? How come it permits only self defense for them?

Please, help me get rid of this "single-minded" way of thinking.

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