Zoner Alliance Faction Feedback [ June ]

[Thyrzul]

ZA being able to lock down the system is as much fault of Phoenix and everyone else who let them build such a dangerous base at such a crucial choke point. ZA cannot be blamed solely for that. Mollys did the same to O-49 in Dublin, but I don't hear all the Zoner rage about that.

Your argument sounds like "The victim is also at fault for standing in front of the way of the bullet the murderer shot from it's pistol.".

Mollies built one base, ZA built four. It's not Zoners who rage about it, but I heard at some places where people blamed Goldern Coin. Sure, Phoenix is at fault also for letting them build the base, but what should they have done? Watch over the system 24/7? They can't be everywhere at every time, it is just god damn easy to pull up a station to Core4 in no time if you got enough folks and proper organization for that. Do it four times and you own a system.

If the problem is truly PoBs/caps/whatever thing you think is hurting gameplay, then leave the complaints where they should be. This is about ZA, and nothing I've seen shows me that they've done anything worthy of their treatment they've been getting OORP. InRP, I think everybody is getting what they deserve.

I blame PoBs where that subject belongs to and I blame the ones exploiting them where THAT subject belongs to. I blame ZA here for exploiting game mechanics to create an otherwise unlikely situation. If that and their numerous attempts at powergamind and metagaming, and then blaming their opponents for the same, thus being hypocritical - while the fact that they have been here for quite a while nullifies the argument that they are new guys and they indeed should know what they did was ooRP - is not enough for you to show you in what they were wrong, then i really can't help you.

And no, bad RP doesn't justify trolling. For someone who claims they value RP so much, I think you should hold yourself to a higher standard, yes? Control what you CAN control.

I recall no instance in which I trolled any ZA, so I'm not sure why you direct these comments towards me.

@Quiron- No, but as the official faction, Phoenix was in a position to make a decision to allow an indie group of Zoners to build a PoB in their Guard system AT the jumphole.

Yup, try to deny a station already built. Or do you really think they will ask you first? Even the houses has to deal with unregistered bases, not even asking for permission, though houses at least have regulations.

I would certainly hold BAF responsible of they allowed an indie BAF group to build a hostile base at the jump hole in Salisbury.

Holding officials for something they cannot control? Quite logical, yes.

This is why LN and BAF have application processes for PoBs, otherwise they attack them fervently to prevent this kind of abuse. It amazes me that they managed to let the Mollys get away with building Coin, but I'm not gonna blame the Mollys for that. Kudos to them.

Guess what, Goldern Coin is a Molly base, asking for permission from BAF would have been pointless, the answer would have been an obvious no. Thus they built it silently, and you know, once it's Core4, it stays. There is nobody to blame for that.

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