(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: Currently ZA is going against my definition of "the Zoner Way"
And you still don't see what you are doing wrong?
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: So you disagree with viewing the whole situation thoroughly and from an objective PoV, right?
No, you haven't been getting what I say at all. I am saying there are more than one legitimate PoV, which is why you should be more open and not rest on that one PoV as if it was a higher truth. Nuance your PoV and stop being so categorical.
Do I think ZA is making a mess? Yes. Do I condone their jumphole base shooting at stuff? No. Have I been shooting ZA and friends? Yes. Do I think it's fair that they are getting this oorp forum treatment and get branded "heretics", when other people get off the hook for similar shanannigans? No, I don't.
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: Deal with it, you got shot by Mal FP in the past, you whined, you got reimbursed, done. I got shot too, I did not whine at all, because I know what was the intention behind the whole and that the lack of proper tools led them to deal with an issue this way.
I whined and got reimbursed in-rp, yes. You are saying your character got shot down, shrugged, and went and got a new ship npnp? That's some solid roleplay.
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: Somehow I feel you don't even want to consider the case of TAZ from a neutral viewpoint.
There is no neutral standpoint when they are shooting at me for no reason whatsoever. They showed hostility, and I'm supposed to retaliate with neutrality? What's wrong with you?
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: How about actually joining that faction to spice it up?
Ehh, I am a member of several factions; I applied to join one of the less active factions - as you know very well - but I am still waiting for reply. Your arrogance is strong when you assume things.
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: The problem with this is only that currently Phoenix is only unable to enforce their own rule because of a new feature of the mod with faulty game mechanics and a bunch of lolwuts calling themselves Zoners and acting like a dictatorship, exploiting this feature doesn't let them. Without PoBs ZA would have fallen long ago, faster than their predecessors, like OZ, etc...
Read what Phoenix themselves say in this thread: They don't own O-74, neither inrp or oorp.
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: Thing is, that's only the word of one man, and his actions defy his own words. In the case of O74, it's the word of quite many against quite few, and the only thing ZA have are their bases, which things we all know how faulty feature are.
You ever stopped to think that maybe the forum isn't representative at all for the players on the server? A lot of people can't be bothered going here, a lot of people can't be bothered commenting, and there is a certain dogmatic atmosphere that is hard to break. You shouldn't "invoke the power of the people" when it is something you cannot claim to have. Again, it is arrogance of 1st degree.
(07-01-2013, 06:50 AM)Thyrzul Wrote: The question is how plausible roleplay is when a corsair disagrees with the nation's interests in favor of their own gain, and how long would he survive at home being branded as a traitor for discarding the orders of an elder simply out of greed.
You won't get branded traitor. Look at the Corsair Court, look at how the Elders conduct business. You seem to neither have a clue about Corsairs as an NPC faction as well as Corsairs represented by the official factions (who do a damn fine job btw). The "when I say jump, you say how high" approach doesn't necessarily fit the bill for all Corsairs, like it does for say the Liberty Navy.