So hey, about the recent Zoner drama. Use it much?

[Thyrzul]

If you want peace, you have to TALK. T-A-L-K.

This pretty much happened, where have you been in the past few weeks when Comm Channels got flooded with all the ZA stuff? To have an agreement of peace you need two parties to agree and ZA denied peace regardless of the terms any time the other side offered them that. What makes you think that after this ZA can be considered serious with their claims of wishing peace, and it is not an other attempt to backstab Order like they just tried to backstab the official Zoner factions with their newest series of powergaming attempts? As you see, ZA abused the trust of the rest of the Zoners, what makes you think they won't abuse the trust of their adversaries when they agree upon peace just because this time ZA wants it too? Why didn't they want it earlier then?

Terms they will likely agree are:

> Set the guns to Zoner IFF => reasonable defense against the Nomads.

You could just have read the comment of Zoner-Trader about this somewhere in this thread earlier and how much he is concerned about this could be abused... like he haven't abused anything yet or gave no reason to be shot on sight yet...

> AI caps vanish, too. => they are aggressors, also against Zoners

All Zoner caps have the right to be present in O74, including Phoenix, ZA and other Zoner caps. Besides Livadia is a shipyard, good luck having ships outside of the system which are actually being completed in there. This point is stupid.

> ZA have to be included into the solution and the new rp in O74. => coexistence should be possible, you don't have to marry each other

Do you really think this whole mess would have evolved into what it is now if the ZA would have been cooperative? Just because they fake being such doesn't change anything, they compromised themselves already, nobody opposing them will trust them anymore, at least inRP for sure.

> Zoner officials take it as their task to police the peace process. => Would be a cool task for Phoenix. Not as the self-proclaimed boss, but as the mediator that fixes it after the mess just got too much.

It would be good to see and I bet the Phoenix would be able to accomplish that, but then you've seen too, our dear friend Tel-Aviv has stated clearly (while not having to do anything with ZA of course), that ZA does not trust Phoenix either and will not do so in the near future.

Removal of the main driving forces of this conflict is imperative as they are the reason for the bases to be set to hostile. Frequent and blatant abuse of game mechanics on the side of the attackers would have made me switch the bases to fully red, too. Gtfo the attackers, and make a deal.

You shouldn't neglect the fact that ZA exploiting the technical invincibility of their stations could pretty much be the definition of abuse of game mechanics in a Disco Dictionary. If we are looking at abusers, look for them on both sides, please, or one may catch us for having double standards, maybe even bias, and that wouldn't be too healthy, right?

If anybody is interesting in starting an oorp dialogue as a basis of irp solutions, I am all up for this. If ZA wants to get into contact with me, add kuscheliger_schmusehase to Skype. I firmly believe this can work.

I promote the idea but, however I may not entirely be familiar with all the ooRP comms between the sides, I've heard rumors from here and there that even such comms failed to have any result moving this situation forward. Such results need clarification of course.

Again...this is not a problem with PoBs, Disco rules, or game mechanics, but just shows a lack of forward thinking by the ones who had power to prevent this present situation from happening, but did nothing instead. To say you COULD NOT, seems a lame excuse and an afterthought (as well as ignoring games rules that WERE in place to allow such actions). That you DID not is what matters.

Okay, good luck having a reason to prevent a seemingly friendly bunch of indies to build a ton of bases in order to defend themselves from common attackers, claiming the bases has no other uses and hurt nobody else. Good luck thinking about what could go wrong without having a precedent of a worst-case-scenario to learn from.

It is too easy to be clever after you know everything. Try to be clever from all the knowledge they may had at that point they could do anything and you may realize that at that time they had no reason to act as ZA gave none.

Again, the problems came later, when they were beyond prevention, what is so hard in understanding this? It's like AIDS, you can carry it in your body for over a decade before it even giving a sign of it's existence, and even then it will already start to kill you and you can't do crap against it.

I can tell the ZA will, having talking with them here and there, thats what they always wanted, the only reason why its still "there" its because other factions entitle to set preconditions. However, I reckon this is a test for the official buds up there.

Oh seems I got ninja'd here and you guys may really want to have peace. But why is it that the minority dictates the terms? And how comes this will turn out to be a test for the officials? What do they have to prove they haven't already with actions, behavior and quality roleplay they earned their officialdom with? This looks odd, too twisted, like the professors at universities should write the exams the students put in front of them. How come who have already proven have to prove instead of the one who proven nothing yet... oh wait, ZA actually proven one thing very much: they can cause huge crapstorm with exploiting game mechanics as much as possible and as nobody did before them yet. Quite an accomplishment, yes, massive kudos for that.

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