So hey, about the recent Zoner drama. Use it much?

[Thyrzul]

The talk I am talking about is a respectful one on one conversation in Skype. With a small group and mediators to keep things calm. Forums are not fit for this and we know how discussions end there.

Still not sure and I don't know what difference would be between a forum discussion and a skype discussion, other than the latter being private, they are both ooRP and we have already seen how certain people reflect on the situation ooRPly.

You cannot be sure. But if you do not try, you will never know.

Lol, like nobody has tried yet... yea, try, get rejected, try, get rejected, try, get rejected... don't you think people are intelligent enough to realize if somebody doesn't want to cooperate for the first, second, third, fourth time, they won't want to cooperate the hundredth time either?

He was right. The base settings "neutral, only defend when shot at" is also abused big time. I saw the AI Cruisers all sport Zoner IFFs, and I am pretty sure they did it to camp the bases when the bases were Zoner IFF.

True, I did not say the opposite. The exploitation of the station IFF is also a bad move, but then that happens if the base owners, who are hostile to the attackers, use the same ID and IFF as the allies of the attackers. You can't really do much about it, can you?

Action - reaction - action - reaction... vicious circle. Wanna break it?

Hell yes. Haven't we been discussing ideas to break it so far?

But the foreign caps need to go. All of them.

Could be a reasonable term of negotiation on short terms, but on longer terms this could hinder the cooperation of Zoners and the Order later on for example, and I also doubt the Order would want to let an other splinter group pull the same nomnom material stunt the ZA conducted (let alone them trying the same another time), and the local Zoners will most probably allow them to operate, as nomad related stuff are their domain.

Again, this point could serve good until things cool down.

If you cannot trust to at least start reasonable talks, you can only go on doing what you are doing now. Wasting time on an impossible goal, and letting things slide further down. It's not getting better, that's for sure.

And you can thank to the uncooperative party that the mutual mistrust evolved to this level. The goal is only impossible due to a feature in game mechanics hopefully changing in the future.

That's only your personal pov, not a universal one, actually.

That is the PoV of quite many on these forums, otherwise you wouldn't see multiple threads about seeking solution to this potential exploit. And the actions of ZA speak for itself, actually.

The "who started it" question is also rather irrelevant if you want to solve it, actually. It also reminds me of my job. You approach quarrelling kids, the first things they to is: point at each other. "It was him!"

It might be irrelevant ooRP but it can quite easily be relevant inRP, and while both parties might want to solve this mess already, inRP the stronger side should dictate the terms and conditions of a peace treaty to the weaker side. And we all know which sides are which. I stress the word inRP, the number of PoBs are hardly a deciding factor in it. Lore is.

It will be ignored, come on. Don't freak out. Work your Skype connections and make it disappear. Nothing is going to happen in the current anti-ZA atmosphere.

Lol, are you promoting the so called skypelancer, hm?

From an inRP viewpoint, it looks weird. Why would the houses just simply ignore information and evidence about factions they were believing to be neutral are actually collaborating with terrorists? It is indeed expected from the house authorities to take a note of it and it can crush the neutrality of said factions easily, effectively going against lore. Such powergaming attempts of this degree (endangering lore) has been shut down in the past, precedent could be the example of SMI trying to sell out the location of Roussillon to the GRN, twice, got stopped by mods/admins both times. I expect the same here, but I wouldn't be surprised that it would indeed be ignored, as you said.

On the contrary: look at it as a good trigger to finally get serious about ending the mess. No one wants to get seriously harmed, do they? And, just as my personal view, it does not qualify as powergaming, at least not in my definition of the term.

ZA seem to want to get seriously harmed, at least their actions so far communicated quite that.

Oh, and in my personal view, it does, and I even got precedent to back up my personal view.

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