(08-16-2013, 10:23 AM)Tel-Aviv Wrote: Let me tell ya something bro, I've seen dozens of factions violating every code of conduct that in a real diplomatic world would be otherwise ilegal and outright insane. People claim upon individuals that what they do has an equal reaction - The opposite effect, or "consequences" - But when these self-rightouess preaks do something everybody is busy looking at the floor. Now you may think Im angry but thats the general attitude that I have toward people like that. Consider the ZA case, ( i think it rivals zonerzonerzoner nower days ;] ) - They went anti-cloakwise against zoners at first, but have changed since then, and as a reaction, The Order + "unheard" of zoner factions went the same way ~ again, everybody is busy looking at the floor.
From you it sounds kind of hypocritical to talk about "consequences" (it was the ZA who forgot what Zoners are, and that's not just my opinion - to this relates that your actions should have way more severe consequences than you have admitted to have and than what game mechanics (read: PoBs) let the rest of the Omicrons do to you), "unheard" of zoner factions (up until your first trouble-making in O74, I never even knew you guys exist) and diplomacy.
So, how about not consider the ZA case? Too many people have too different views on it, about their change, whether was that an improvement or not, that simply mentioning the ZA would bring up a debate derailing the entire thread. Most importantly because this thread is about diplomacy and representatives of ZA have proven in the past how "good" they are at diplomacy. Including yourself.
The attitude "lemme tell ya da sh*t, bro" just adds the flavor to this...
@Rodnas
What about relations you cannot check/know about easily/at all inRP?
Like LaFlamme was mad at 141 and CR for operating in Gallia without the consent of the Council, an issue which has been discussed since then, but neither of them told him yet the involvement of the UC. Now, LaFlamme would go mad again if he would get to know about UC's involvement, and that CR is still working with them. CR knows this, so won't tell, regardless of how allied they are. They are allied against the GRN threat in the Taus, but Giroux stated too that CR is not welcome in Gallia. In short, their alliance is based on being close to eachother (Roussillon and Coronado) and having common enemies (GRN, OC). But then, CR's partner within Gallia is UC, and this triangle can exist as long as nobody will acknowledge something which can crush it.